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by joelamosobadiah
Fri May 22, 2015 9:28 am
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: An honest response from a local LEO (HB910)
Replies: 43
Views: 6018

Re: An honest response from a local LEO (HB910)

mojo84 wrote:I think many take the questions about where are you headed, where are you coming from, where do you work etc wrong. While it is not just idle chit chat to build rapport, it also isn't the great violation of the 4th Amendment some seem to think it is. It is a way for the cop to engage you so they can assess your condition and determine if there may be something nefarious going on. When they ask these questions, they are listening to your voice inflection, speech pattern, watching your physical response etc to see if you are intoxicated, excessively nervous, abnormal eye movement etc.

Like it or not, it's just them doing their job. I don't mind it as I've never had one question me to the point I thought it excessive or had become an interrogation.

By the way, getting defensive can also cause them to want to dig deeper and ask more questions as they can take that as a sign of someone hiding something.
I agree. And I have never gotten even those questions except when pulled over between 2-3 AM. I worked a night shift and got pulled over frequently (never ticketed) and a very brief line of questions before they realized I was going to work at an airport at 3 AM. Then they handed me back my drivers license, told me to make sure I got the tail light fixed, or slowed down the 3 MPH they pulled me over for or not make that wide right hand turn, etc.
by joelamosobadiah
Fri May 22, 2015 8:47 am
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: An honest response from a local LEO (HB910)
Replies: 43
Views: 6018

Re: An honest response from a local LEO (HB910)

Ruark wrote:
mojo84 wrote: I also believe cops typically respond to respect with respect. I've said elsewhere that I will go along with showing ID if I chose to open carry and get stopped till the newness wears off and people get more accustomed to open carry.
I disagree. The overwhelming majority of cops I've encountered have responded to my "yes sir, no sir" respect with a litany of personal questions. Where are you going today, sir? Shopping? Do you work in Austin? Oh, you're retired? Where did you retire from? When was that? What did you do there? etc. etc. etc.

Just for the record, I'm never, never belligerent or rude to LEOs. I might say, with excruciating politeness, "Uh, sir, we'd like to be moving along here, is there anything else I can help you with?" From there, depending on how it goes, I might proceed to the "am I being detained?" script. But again, always with extreme politeness. Regardless, I have a very clear limit on how far I will allow such a conversation to go.
Could be a number of circumstances, but my experience is a far cry from yours. I have never even remotely considered going to the "am I being detained?" script because I have never felt as though I was being asked unnecessary questions or being delayed longer than necessary for the circumstance.

My contact is almost completely with LEOs in the <300,000 population areas and not Austin or Dallas which may be a difference as well.

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