No, he didn't really ask for my permission. More told me what was going on and gave that half-approving look while already starting to walk around. They do have the right to disarm, not sure how that intersects with laws on search.Scott B. wrote:Sounds like an interesting fourth amendment issue. Did he ask your permission, or just told you that's the way it was going to be?
I'm pro law enforcement and wouldn't have said or done anything different. But, just for giggles - what if another driver or passenger of the vehicle had left a baggie of illicit substances in your console, or something like an unlabeled pill bottle?
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- Tue May 05, 2015 3:32 pm
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Re: First time being "disarmed" during a traffic stop
- Tue May 05, 2015 9:23 am
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Re: First time being "disarmed" during a traffic stop
Agreed about needing to move the insurance card. Almost every time I've wound up in this situation I've immediately gone for the insurance card so it wasn't an issue. However it was raining and lots of traffic so I wasn't able to get to it before pulling over and I sure wasn't reaching in there while they were walking up. Hahamojo84 wrote:If it's was a rookie that is in training, he may have been just extra precautious. I can understand that. I am not sure I would be happy about him digging around in my console looking for the mags. However, you got off with a warning.
I would recommend keeping your insurance card separate from where your gun is stored. That way you may be able to avoid being disarmed and/or a cop rifling through your console in the future.
- Tue May 05, 2015 9:02 am
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First time being "disarmed" during a traffic stop
I had my firearm in the center console, currently unloaded with two magazines in console as well. I work in courthouses so I cannot carry inside so it stays in my console regularly on my drive. I got pulled over for a headlight out, which I was aware of since that morning. Sheriff's deputy got out of the vehicle with another officer behind him standing back. Appeared to be a training situation.
Upon seeing the CHL and that I didn't have my proof of insurance out he asked if the insurance was in the center console with the firearm. When I told him yes he asked I remain seated and not move while he retrieved the firearm. He went around the vehicle to the passenger side door, retrieved the firearm from the center console, asked if I had the magazines, then proceeded to dig through console for both magazines (since obviously those were super dangerous even though he had my gun). I got out my insurance and handed it to him, both officers went back to the vehicle and returned about 10 minutes later with a written warning.
Seemed a little over the top to me. I understand not wanting me to reach in center console to get insurance (even though officers have allowed me to do this before), but the officer seemed nervous the entire time so I wasn't giving him any reason to be more nervous than already. Pretty sure I was dealing with a rookie in training.
Upon seeing the CHL and that I didn't have my proof of insurance out he asked if the insurance was in the center console with the firearm. When I told him yes he asked I remain seated and not move while he retrieved the firearm. He went around the vehicle to the passenger side door, retrieved the firearm from the center console, asked if I had the magazines, then proceeded to dig through console for both magazines (since obviously those were super dangerous even though he had my gun). I got out my insurance and handed it to him, both officers went back to the vehicle and returned about 10 minutes later with a written warning.
Seemed a little over the top to me. I understand not wanting me to reach in center console to get insurance (even though officers have allowed me to do this before), but the officer seemed nervous the entire time so I wasn't giving him any reason to be more nervous than already. Pretty sure I was dealing with a rookie in training.