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MechAg94 wrote:IMO, if you are justified to draw, draw with the intent to shoot. If the attacker is going to stop, he had better do it convincingly before you get the point of shooting. I think if you plan on drawing and pausing to see what happens, you are putting yourself at a severe disadvantage. Distance from the attacker always affects this, but I think it is dangerous to plan to draw and do nothing even if only for a moment. I think the time to evaluate the situation is before you drawr. I am sure there are numerous scenarios both ways, but I think one should be very careful about setting your mind up for NOT shooting. The situation may end up requiring that very thing.

baldeagle wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:

Javier730 wrote: Would you draw on a person who became aggressive with you and did not have a weapon in their hands? Just curious.

I wouldn't, no. Partly for the reason you outlined above. Partly because "becoming aggressive" with me doesn't mean that I should kill you, at least in my head, even if legally justified.

Not picking on you, but this is a very common misconception, especially among pro-gun people. Just because you shoot someone does not mean they will die. 76% of handgun shooting victims survive. Furthermore, the law does not justify killing someone. It justifies the use of deadly force, which may kill someone but won't necessarily kill them.

The purpose of the use of deadly force is to stop an attack, not to kill someone. If you allow yourself to think that deadly force == killing someone, you will introduce the element of doubt into your decision making, and that hesitation could cost you your life. If an unarmed assailant is advancing on you in a threatening manner and you reasonably believe that they intend to do you harm, the law says you may use deadly force to stop that attack.

And, btw, the fear of being shot, because you have it in your head that being shot == dying, can also inhibit your ability to react to a bad situation in a successful manner. The purpose of self defense is to stop an attack, not to avoid being shot. If you're worried about being shot, you're already behind the eight ball in a situation where you need to react in a timely manner in order to survive. Mind you, I'm not saying don't try to avoid being shot. By all means use cover or concealment to gain an advantage, but your focus should be on the fight, not its consequences.

At the end of the fight, your attitude should be, I'm sorry he forced me into a position where I had to shoot him to defend myself, and I'm sorry that the shooting led to his death (if he does indeed die), but he gave me no other options. You should feel the same way if he's paralyzed or if he's just full of holes and mad as a hornet. You did nothing wrong. His actions led to his injuries or death.

Javier730 wrote:

SheilaYates wrote:

Deltaboy wrote:Same here ,bad back, bum right leg, I am a leave me along and I do the same to You. IE the Golden rule I preach restated. At 49 I'm too crippled to run and too old to fight anymore . I have become the Old Man that my Dad warned me about when I was young.

If you feel no longer fit to fight because of being 49 yrs. old, you should stay away from trouble that you might not get into danger.

Im sure everyone on this forum does their best to stay away from trouble. Problem is, trouble can find you while your going about your everyday business. Trouble can come to you even when you are in your own home. Knowing that is one reason we get chls.

mrvmax wrote:We are not in grade school anymore and I am not in the WWF or UFC so there is no reason for me to be fighting anybody. If someone is hitting me then as soon as the assault begins I assume they are trying to kill me and I will stop it with whatever means that is necessary. For some reason men are programmed to think that fights are ok and are no big deal but I think otherwise since there is no reason I should be in one. I avoid all the machismo between men about who can beat up whom, it is nonsense and I will remove myself from those situations.