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Taltyman wrote:It is optional but used, what makes you think it isn't?

According to multiple supervisors I have spoken to overseeing the NICS program, the SS# is not used in the proceed, delay, or deny NICS procedure. If you have information otherwise I would love to see it.

According to Attorney & Author Cindy Hill, of the more than 100,000 denials issued every year the vast majority are due to issues related to common names. If the system actually utilized SS#s this mistake should never happen, at least not where the applicant listed their SS# on the form which is the case more often than not.

TomsTXCHL wrote:

jmra wrote:The NICS system is name based (entering your SS# does absolutely nothing) and is extremely flawed.

Tell me about the SSN thing. IIRC the "optional" note suggests having it can help--but it's not used at all by the FFL on whatever "Search" screen, or entry screen, that they use to submit for the computer check? Nor on "call-in"?

Here's what I know:
I have the same first name, middle initial, last name, and birth date as a convicted felon in NJ. Obviously we have different SS#'s. My first name is in the top 5 of most popular names in the country and my last name is in the top 4. I have never been to NJ.
Because of this I always provided my SS# when purchasing firearms. NICS results were always hit and miss. Half the time no issues other times a day or two delay until my last NICS check (just before my CHL) when I was denied. I immediately called the number the FFL uses for NICS check and spoke to a supervisor.
Of course it was obvious to the supervisor that I was not the same person as the felon (the reason the initial agent used for the denial), but he refused to override the decision because the system is name based and that is the way agents are trained to handle the calls. I informed him that I listed my SS# on the form which should have cleared up any confusion.
His response is what about made me blow my top. SS#s are never used in the NICS process. They are only used in follow up investigations to determine ownership of a firearm.
I haven't undergone a NICS check since getting my CHL, but I don't list my SS# on the form as it does nothing whatsoever to help you. (Ironically the calls from the FBI, or people claiming to be with the FBI, wanting to know if I've ever been to NJ stopped when I got my CHL.)

C-dub wrote:

jmra wrote:

rockinar wrote:

bones281 wrote:I have a question regarding the purchase of a firearms. I recently went to buy a new handgun and I has asked if I had a CHL? at the time I didn't have it so I said no. Now here''s the question, would having a CHL allow me to skip the background check conducted by the store?

They would have to call it in. So the process would take 10 minutes instead of 5.

Or in some cases, days instead of 5 minutes. The NICS system is name based (entering your SS# does absolutely nothing) and is extremely flawed.

You guys both lost me here. Bones281 asked if having his CHL would have allowed him to skip the background check. The answer is, Yes. Why would anyone have to call it in? The store may still want to per their own policy, but having the CHL does allow one to skip the background check, right? So, no requirement to make the NICS call, right?

I was responding to rockinar's suggestion that a NICS check just meant an additional 5 mins delay. I assume that rockinar was stating that the difference in having a CHL and not having one only adds 5 mins to the purchase process.

rockinar wrote:

bones281 wrote:I have a question regarding the purchase of a firearms. I recently went to buy a new handgun and I has asked if I had a CHL? at the time I didn't have it so I said no. Now here''s the question, would having a CHL allow me to skip the background check conducted by the store?

They would have to call it in. So the process would take 10 minutes instead of 5.

Or in some cases, days instead of 5 minutes. The NICS system is name based (entering your SS# does absolutely nothing) and is extremely flawed.

Redneck_Buddha wrote:My guess is the Bloomberg/Holder/Moms cosa nostra is actively trying to plug this.

Nah, bigger fish to fry.

GeekwithaGun wrote:

Keith B wrote:

bones281 wrote:I have a question regarding the purchase a firearms. I recently went to buy a new handgun and I has asked if I had a CHL? at the time I didn't have it so I said no. Now here''s the question, would having a CHL allow me to skip the background check conducted by the store?

Yes. You still have to fill out the 4473 form, but they do not have to call in and do a NICS check on you. All they do is put your CHL number on the form.

Yes, but some stores will always run a BG Check -

I always ask the stores policy before purchasing. I have a very common name and share the same name and birth date with a convicted felon who lives in the NE. In the past this has resulted in delays that I refuse to tolerate. If the store wants to call it in after seeing my CHL I simply choose to shop elsewhere.