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by jmra
Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:35 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

mojo84 wrote:
Trinitite wrote:
mojo84 wrote:You know, I've been a great student of our country through the years by watching many many TV and moving picture westerns. The only time I recall seeing people carry their long guns into saloons and restaurants was when they were planning in stirring up some trouble.
In Westerns and many other genres on the silver screen, the only times I recall people concealing their guns was when they were planning to cause trouble.

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How much do you trust Hollywood when it comes to guns?

I don't. It was a JOKE. :roll:
I got the joke and thought it was funny. Did want to note however that carrying a firearm was prohibited in many western towns within city limits. Those coming into town were required to checkin their firearms and they picked them up on the way out. Despite Hollywoods fascination with the six shooter, it was not nearly as desirable as a good rifle.
Interesting link http://cowboytocowboy.com/wordpress/?p=600
by jmra
Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:30 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

mamabearCali wrote:
SewTexas wrote:the problem is the OC crowd doesn't want to compromise. interestingly, they are taking tactics of many liberal groups.


Perhaps there is a reason they do so. I don't really agree with that, but libs have been enormously effective in getting much of their agenda enshrined in law. As an example look at gay marriage it had been forcefully advanced. Those opposed have been successfully marginalized. Even in TX the buckle of the bibe belt it is making vast inroad.

I am not saying I agree with the way OC in TX is going about things. But maybe they are simply following a successful strategy in pushing an unpopular position forward.
Apples and oranges. Gay marriage has only advanced as far as it has because liberal judges have ignored the wishes of the people and the states and placed their own agenda above the law.
Other liberal agendas have advanced because they share that agenda with the liberal media. Anyone using these tactics without the support of the media or judges willing to put their own agenda above the law is doomed to failure.

If they wanted to follow a successful strategy all they need to do is what Alice and Chas and the pro gun legislators have asked them to do. No group has ever been more successful in passing pro gun legislation in the state of Texas.
by jmra
Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:15 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

SewTexas wrote:the problem is the OC crowd doesn't want to compromise. interestingly, they are taking tactics of many liberal groups.
:iagree:
This is what people removed from the situation are not understanding. It is also difficult for people in states where handgun OC is legal to understand the issues caused by people trying to promote handgun OC by OCing long guns especially when uninvited in privately owned establishments. Long gun OC and handgun OC are two very different animals.
by jmra
Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:42 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

mamabearCali wrote:
jmra wrote:
mamabearCali wrote:Both.
Source?

Me. I was there. The long guns were at a barbecue place. Unless you want to say that I am a liar. I don't remember the long guns at Denny's. The fellow that carried the rifle was not there when I went.
That is not what your original post stated as you stated OC at Denny's and I asked if they were OCing long guns or handguns. You replied both. Glad you corrected the misinformation.
by jmra
Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:55 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

MeMelYup wrote:
jmra wrote:
SewTexas wrote:
jmra wrote:
mamabearCali wrote:Both.
Source?
? what do you mean?
I was asking for a source to support her claim that VA businesses invite OC of both long guns and handguns in their establishments.

Her quote, "One Denny's in the west end likes having between 10-30 OCers every Saturday to count on for breakfast". I found this odd as Denny's has a corporate "no guns" policy.
Walmart has a corporate no guns policy, but for customers it's State law.
Denny's corporate policy is not to allow customers to carry fire arms, much the same as Buffalo Wild Wings.
by jmra
Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:28 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

SewTexas wrote:
jmra wrote:
mamabearCali wrote:Both.
Source?
? what do you mean?
I was asking for a source to support her claim that VA businesses invite OC of both long guns and handguns in their establishments.

Her quote, "One Denny's in the west end likes having between 10-30 OCers every Saturday to count on for breakfast". I found this odd as Denny's has a corporate "no guns" policy.
by jmra
Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:03 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

mamabearCali wrote:Both.
Source?
by jmra
Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:54 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

NRAs take on the subject:

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/artic ... -role.aspx
The second example comes to us from the Lone Star State, which is second to none for its robust gun culture. We applaud Texans for that, but a small number have recently crossed the line from enthusiasm to downright foolishness.

Now we love AR-15s and AKs as much as anybody, and we know that these sorts of semiautomatic carbines are among the most popular, fastest selling firearms in America today. Texas, independent-minded and liberty-loving place that it is, doesn't ban the carrying of loaded long guns in public, nor does it require a permit for this activity. Yet some so-called firearm advocates seem determined to change this.

Recently, demonstrators have been showing up in various public places, including coffee shops and fast food restaurants, openly toting a variety of tactical long guns. Unlicensed open carry of handguns is legal in about half the U.S. states, and it is relatively common and uncontroversial in some places.

Yet while unlicensed open carry of long guns is also typically legal in most places, it is a rare sight to see someone sidle up next to you in line for lunch with a 7.62 rifle slung across his chest, much less a whole gaggle of folks descending on the same public venue with similar arms.

Let's not mince words, not only is it rare, it's downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself. To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one's cause, it can be downright scary. It makes folks who might normally be perfectly open-minded about firearms feel uncomfortable and question the motives of pro-gun advocates.

As a result of these hijinx, two popular fast food outlets have recently requested patrons to keep guns off the premises (more information can be found here and here). In other words, the freedom and goodwill these businesses had previously extended to gun owners has been curtailed because of the actions of an attention-hungry few who thought only of themselves and not of those who might be affected by their behavior. To state the obvious, that's counterproductive for the gun owning community.

More to the point, it's just not neighborly, which is out of character for the big-hearted residents of Texas. Using guns merely to draw attention to yourself in public not only defies common sense, it shows a lack of consideration and manners. That's not the Texas way. And that's certainly not the NRA way.

In summary, NRA certainly does not support bans on personalized guns or on carrying firearms in public, including in restaurants. We think people are intelligent enough to resolve these issues in a reasonable way for themselves. But when people act without thinking, or without consideration for others – especially when it comes to firearms – they set the stage for further restrictions on our rights. Firearm owners face enough challenges these days; we don't need to be victims of friendly fire.
by jmra
Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:25 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

mamabearCali wrote:
jmra wrote: It is my understanding that numerous attempts have been made to reach out to these people in order to resolve this situation and come to a consensus about the best approach to getting OC passed. They simply refuse to budge in their stance. They are fanatics convinced that their way is the only way and and appear to be oblivious to the damage they are causing. In fact they seem to consider the results some kind of victory. They are either delusional or they have another agenda.

If the reach outs have been anywhere near as diplomatic as these forums have been then I am not surprised they told people to stuff it. I might too if I was being called names.
Just out of curiosity, have you read Mr. Cotton' posts on this subject? Do you believe he lacks diplomacy? CJ Grisham told the local news station that Mr. Cotton just doesn't get it. Does that sound like someone willing to sit down at the table? Have you been to OCTs FB page? Does that look like people interested in sitting down at the table? Do you think Mr. Cotton doesn't get it? Do you really think that Alice and Chas have not been on top of this issue? That they along with many other members of this forum who seek to pass pro gun laws in the state of Texas haven't done everything within their means to bring unity to the cause? With as much that is at stake do you really believe a stone has been left unturned in the fight to pass 2A bills in the state of Texas? Do you really believe that people who have dedicated their lives to this cause and have developed proven strategies in passing pro 2A laws in the state of Texas are somehow less intuitive than you on how to deal with the OCers? Just curious.

ETA: if you haven't read Mr. Cotton's posts, here is a direct quote:
"The sad truth is OCT's goal isn't so much about passing open-carry as to be praised for its efforts, even when they lessen the chance of passing open-carry in Texas. It's the classic "look at me" rather than "look at the issue" approach that dooms many political advocacy groups."

Does that sound like a group that is willing to sit down and talk?
by jmra
Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:47 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

mamabearCali wrote:
jmra wrote: It is my understanding that numerous attempts have been made to reach out to these people in order to resolve this situation and come to a consensus about the best approach to getting OC passed. They simply refuse to budge in their stance. They are fanatics convinced that their way is the only way and and appear to be oblivious to the damage they are causing. In fact they seem to consider the results some kind of victory. They are either delusional or they have another agenda.

If the reach outs have been anywhere near as diplomatic as these forums have been then I am not surprised they told people to stuff it. I might too if I was being called names.

Any of y'all ever come home with a piece of fruit that had those irritating fruit flies in it. They are too numerous and too small to effectively swat. How do you get rid of them? Do you spray the whole kitchen with raid or do you set out a trap with something sweet (we usually use a banana). They are not going to sit down and shut up. So if you want ameliorate their influence and negative effects you are going to have to dialog with them. If you don't like my suggestions, come up with your own. Sit down and shut up is obviously not going to work. Give them a little of what they want (OC dinners and rallies) and get what you can back (no more OC of long guns in Walmart and Taco Cabana).
:deadhorse:
by jmra
Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:46 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

mamabearCali wrote:
Cedar Park Dad wrote:
RetNavy wrote:
mamabearCali wrote:
1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..

Can't think of many restaurants that would think this is a good idea.
Sorry but keep businesses out of it. It just makes everyone look stupid and is a direct feed to the MotherJones types.

Businesses aren't discriminating. The law is what you're protesting against so protest appropriately.

There are some businesses here in VA that disagree and have been glad to get $$ from us OCers. One Denny's in the west end likes having between 10-30 OCers every Saturday to count on for breakfast.
Are they OCing long guns or handguns?
by jmra
Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:02 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

ShootDontTalk wrote:
mamabearCali wrote:[

Look y'all are going to have to deal with these guys. They are not going to just shut up and go away. So if you stick your fingers in your ears and say "y'all are crazies I'm not listening" then it is only going to get worse. If you engage them, you have a chance to influence them with more caution and wisdom.
I'm not going to get involved in this anymore. Suffice to say you are 100% right. I'm not sure why no one here thinks it worth the effort to meet face-to-face with these folks or do whatever is necessary to avert the coming disaster, but I have some suspicions. I hope I'm wrong. One thing is certain. That light ahead is not the end of the tunnel. Thank you for having the courage to state the obvious.

Chili's and Sonic are just the tip of the iceberg.
It is my understanding that numerous attempts have been made to reach out to these people in order to resolve this situation and come to a consensus about the best approach to getting OC passed. They simply refuse to budge in their stance. They are fanatics convinced that their way is the only way and and appear to be oblivious to the damage they are causing. In fact they seem to consider the results some kind of victory. They are either delusional or they have another agenda.
by jmra
Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:49 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

canvasbck wrote:
RetNavy wrote:
mamabearCali wrote:
1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..
Or, here's an even better idea...........after your rally on public property is over, put the LG's away in your vehicle before going into a private business. If you still want to engage patrons, pass out flyers, and drum up support, switch to an empty holster. Take the ammo (pun not intended) away from Moms demand action. How silly will they look when they claim that employees at Jack in the Box were hiding in the cooler because of a bunch of empty holsters.

On a tactical note, I would wear the empty holster on my weak side to not impede my ability to access whats on the strong side.
Rational thinking. Doesn't fit these guy's MO.
by jmra
Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:46 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

Cedar Park Dad wrote:
RetNavy wrote:
mamabearCali wrote:
1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..

Can't think of many restaurants that would think this is a good idea.
Sorry but keep businesses out of it. It just makes everyone look stupid and is a direct feed to the MotherJones types.

Businesses aren't discriminating. The law is what you're protesting against so protest appropriately.
:iagree:
I truly have never seen an organization more involved in self destructing their cause than these individuals. They are complete morons totally disconnected from reality. What business would possibly want to be associated with these idiots.
by jmra
Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:20 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home
Replies: 116
Views: 15413

Re: Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

mamabearCali wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:Here is my thought on the calling ahead. If I owned a business and the OC called to ask I would say no. Businesses are open to make money, OC groups scare away customers and they leave out the door with my potential sale. Even though I support the 2a, I need money to keep my doors open.

Really? You are a restaurante, you have a semi-private patio/party room. You receive a request for a Tuesday evening (when OC dinners are in Richmond) reservation with 50-70 law abiding people coming and you are going to turn that $$ down based on the hope that other people will come in on a not so busy evening. That is your business decision, but not the one I would make.
jmra wrote: I would tell them no for the simple fact that I am pro 2A and their actions are detrimental to the cause - money wouldn't come into play in that decision at all.
This is why there will be more trouble in TX with the OCers. A reasonable compromise was made and rejected out of hand.

This is not a country where we get to tell people to shut it and sit down. This is a nation where dialog can will and must take place. If the 2nd amendment people do not come together in reasonable conversation then a house divided against itself will not stand. The anti's will win and we all lose.
It's not possible to have reasonable conversations with unreasonable people. Every organization with a proven track record of getting pro gun bills passed in TX has asked these people to stop or at least change their approach and still they refuse. Legislators who are fighting to promote passage of pro gun bills have asked them to stop intimidating people and they still refuse to stop. Business after business has asked them to stop so they go to the next business and the next business with the same result. What they are doing is the definition of insanity.
The fact is simple, if these groups do not stop there will not only be no chance of passing OC, we will be fighting a battle to stop anti gun legislation - a battle we wouldn't have to fight if it weren't for these idiots.

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