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by jmra
Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:29 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.
Replies: 150
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Re: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.

myntalfloss wrote:If you're getting criticized by the NRA, you might want to re-think your tactics. Just saying. :txflag:

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NRA open letter
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The second example comes to us from the Lone Star State, which is second to none for its robust gun culture. We applaud Texans for that, but a small number have recently crossed the line from enthusiasm to downright foolishness.

Now we love AR-15s and AKs as much as anybody, and we know that these sorts of semiautomatic carbines are among the most popular, fastest selling firearms in America today. Texas, independent-minded and liberty-loving place that it is, doesn't ban the carrying of loaded long guns in public, nor does it require a permit for this activity. Yet some so-called firearm advocates seem determined to change this.

Recently, demonstrators have been showing up in various public places, including coffee shops and fast food restaurants, openly toting a variety of tactical long guns. Unlicensed open carry of handguns is legal in about half the U.S. states, and it is relatively common and uncontroversial in some places.

Yet while unlicensed open carry of long guns is also typically legal in most places, it is a rare sight to see someone sidle up next to you in line for lunch with a 7.62 rifle slung across his chest, much less a whole gaggle of folks descending on the same public venue with similar arms.

Let's not mince words, not only is it rare, it's downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself. To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one's cause, it can be downright scary. It makes folks who might normally be perfectly open-minded about firearms feel uncomfortable and question the motives of pro-gun advocates.

As a result of these hijinx, two popular fast food outlets have recently requested patrons to keep guns off the premises (more information can be found here and here). In other words, the freedom and goodwill these businesses had previously extended to gun owners has been curtailed because of the actions of an attention-hungry few who thought only of themselves and not of those who might be affected by their behavior. To state the obvious, that's counterproductive for the gun owning community.

More to the point, it's just not neighborly, which is out of character for the big-hearted residents of Texas. Using guns merely to draw attention to yourself in public not only defies common sense, it shows a lack of consideration and manners. That's not the Texas way. And that's certainly not the NRA way.

In summary, NRA certainly does not support bans on personalized guns or on carrying firearms in public, including in restaurants. We think people are intelligent enough to resolve these issues in a reasonable way for themselves. But when people act without thinking, or without consideration for others – especially when it comes to firearms – they set the stage for further restrictions on our rights. Firearm owners face enough challenges these days; we don't need to be victims of friendly fire.
by jmra
Thu May 22, 2014 9:36 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.
Replies: 150
Views: 29440

Re: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.

myntalfloss wrote:...they're just a bunch of idiots.
The world never seems to be short of them.
by jmra
Tue May 20, 2014 5:46 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.
Replies: 150
Views: 29440

Re: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.

SewTexas wrote:
spongeworthy wrote:
Keith B wrote:And now they have ticked of Chipotle http://on.nbcdfw.com/vy0Gwsc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Un-beee-leavable :banghead: :mad5
I'm quite conflicted over this one, normally I'd just go elsewhere but Chipotle is my go-to spot for eating out on the rare occasion I do. :mad5

It sounds like they are doing the same thing Starbucks did, just mouth service for the antis-. they won't put up any signs so it really won't affect anything.

but the OC crowd needs to understand they aren't just ticking off the antis anymore, they are irritating the CHLers too, that that does nothing for their cause at all.
It doesn't affect anything as long as you aren't in favor of handgun OC passing in 2015. If you are...
by jmra
Mon May 19, 2014 9:34 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.
Replies: 150
Views: 29440

Re: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.

chamberc wrote:
Dori wrote:
Beiruty wrote:
BuckFlicks wrote:The problem is that the OCT people are breaking the law. Despite their claims to the contrary, their open carry demonstrations are specifically conducted in a manner calculated to cause alarm, which makes their open carry demonstrations a violation of the law. Their entire point is to get the populace railed up and make the news when those frightened citizens call the police and the media. It absolutely is hurting the cause more than helping.
So can you describe when the long firearms are carried NOT in a manner calculated to cause alarm?
Some people think only the police and military should carry guns.
Some people think only the police and military should carry guns openly.
Beiruty wrote:It seems you are declaring OC of long firearms are not legal in Texas, which is simply not true.
Not yet but MDA and their kin are working on it.
You can definitely bet the most likely outcome here is outlawing long guns from OC, NOT allowing OC of handguns.
:iagree:
Of course when that happens OCT will be pointing fingers at everyone but themselves.
by jmra
Mon May 19, 2014 5:46 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.
Replies: 150
Views: 29440

Re: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.

Beiruty wrote:
chamberc wrote:
Beiruty wrote:
Keith B wrote:
ShootDontTalk wrote:[rant on]
This issue is like the Energizer Bunny - it keeps going and going.

A couple of points. First, regardless of differences of opinion about Constitutional issues, is open carry of a long gun in Texas legal or illegal? I'll leave it to the lawyers to argue the ifs, wheres, and whens.

If it is legal and we object because some people frighten the horses, then in my opinion we should get busy and change the laws to make open carry of a long gun illegal in Texas. I don't think anything short of jail will persuade the OC folks who insist on doing it to change their minds. Can anyone think of anything else that would persuade them? One thing is for sure. All the posts here are doing nothing to change their actions. (Mind you I'm not really suggesting this, but just sayin...)

If it is legal, then we are going to have an impossible task appealing to folks who are within the law to stop doing it. It is virtually impossible in this world we live in to appeal to people to stop doing something that Is illegal, or even harmful, just because it is. It seems you cannot rely on good judgement or consideration for others or issues. Some people are just going to do it. Take drunken driving for instance.

I sure wish as much time, effort, and rhetoric were being put into a solution as it is into the endless threads.
[/rant off]
Flame away if it makes you feel better. :boxing
Here's the issue. It's legal today, but if they keep parading around and stirring up trouble, it is not only going to not help passing open carry of handguns, it may well cause people to introduce legislation banning the open carry of long arms as well.
We are in red state, and we have majority in both chambers and we have the Governor too? Who would pass a pro gun-control bill and has a chance to pass it? We are the majority pro-gun in Texas. We need to stand up and fight for our rights. It is enough to be scared like a 1st grade student on his first day at school.

Demographics will forever change that no later than 2020.
Then we do it now, or it will never happens. BTW, the conservative movement in Texas should follow the demographics change too. Otherwise, we are conceding defeat as of now.
It could have been done already had the OC crowd played their cards correctly several years ago. But no, they simply refuse to learn from past mistakes and continue to shoot both themselves and us in the foot. If OC fails to pass in 2015 the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the "in your face" OC crowd.
by jmra
Sat May 17, 2014 5:00 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.
Replies: 150
Views: 29440

Re: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.

WinoVeritas wrote:
Beiruty wrote:
BuckFlicks wrote:The problem is that the OCT people are breaking the law. Despite their claims to the contrary, their open carry demonstrations are specifically conducted in a manner calculated to cause alarm, which makes their open carry demonstrations a violation of the law. Their entire point is to get the populace railed up and make the news when those frightened citizens call the police and the media. It absolutely is hurting the cause more than helping.
So can you describe when the long firearms are carried NOT in a manner calculated to cause alarm? It seems you are declaring OC of long firearms are not legal in Texas, which is simply not true.
That's a no brainer - in the field (hunting or plinking) or at the range, and/or vehicular travel between the two - not openly in JIB or Luby's or Chuckie Cheese or Walmart etal. Simply because it's legal to carry a rifle/shotgun in public doesn't mean one should. If these jake legs keep this confrontational stuff up we're going to have new laws restricting long arms rather than OC.
:iagree:
Unfortunately when these idiots point their ARs at their foot and pull the trigger we all get wounded.
by jmra
Wed May 14, 2014 5:26 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.
Replies: 150
Views: 29440

Re: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.

Jason K wrote:I support OC. I used to support OCT, but they've become tasteless glory hounds that the anti-2A's can use as bad examples. They're not useful to the OC cause anymore.

I like the Campus Carry movement's "empty holster" campaign as an example of tasteful, non-threatening, and effective protest. And CC seems to be gaining more ground nationwide. OCT should look hard at their tactics.
:iagree:
by jmra
Mon May 12, 2014 5:33 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.
Replies: 150
Views: 29440

Re: Is Open Carry Activism Threatening our CHL rights.

carlson1 wrote::iagree: Answered very clearly.
Yep

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