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rbwhatever1 wrote:All three of these guys had criminal records. If he "chased" them down the street he's toast. He may be toast even if he didn't...

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"Police on Saturday charged the victim of an attempted carjacking with murder for chasing the would-be thieves down and shooting them dead, officials said. dead in Wakefield early Friday morning. Jeffrey Pierre, 33, was driving a Mercedes-Benz SUV when he was approached by Jermaine Johnson and Kaiison Lewis outside the Dyer Avenue Deli Grocery in Wakefield about 4:40 a.m. Friday, police said.

Pierre, who has prior arrests for robbery and marijuana, was charged with murder and criminal possession of a weapon Saturday, cops said.

RoyGBiv wrote:"I was in fear for my life when I pulled that trigger. Those thugs stuck a gun in my face and tried to steal my car. I have no idea whether they intended to let me live once they took the car, I cannot read minds and had to assume that my life was about to end unless I took action. Even when the carjacking stopped, I believed my life was still in imminent danger. I believed they would try to kill me once they reached the safety of their car, they had that look of defiance and anger in their eyes. For my own safety, I was forced to protect my life by stopping them the instant I had the opportunity. I believed they continued to be a threat to my health and safety every instant they were in possession of the gun and in close proximity to me. I was in fear for my life when I fired my weapon. I swear it."

baldeagle wrote:

jmra wrote:I believe the events in the article are not in the correct order if they are accurate at all. The story states that the car jackers held the driver at gun point and fled when the tables turned. It says the driver then pulled a firearm and fired at the fleeing subjects.
I believe the car jackers approached the car armed and were shocked when the driver pulled his gun. Given the fact that the article did not mention either subject being shot in the back (Johnson was shot in his midsection and Lewis was shot in the head and midsection) I would be willing to bet the suspects retreated while keeping their firearms aimed in the general direction of the driver and their bodies turned in his general direction.
I do not believe there is enough information to say that they were no longer a threat.

This is why I disagree.

Their target then pulled his own gun and shot-up Johnson’s green Acura TL with both men inside.

Since they were inside their car in the process of fleeing, the shooting is unjustified unless they were shooting at him. The article does not say that they were.

baldeagle wrote:

Johnson, 28, the driver of the Acura and new father of a boy last month, was shot in his midsection. He died at the scene. His sister, Yanique Johnson, describes him as “a loving, caring, carjacker.”

Fixed it for them.

No, this was not justified. He used his gun to scare them off. That's fine. But shooting into their car as they're trying to escape is murder. In New York, he will be convicted. In Texas he might not be, but it wouldn't be because what he did was right. The threat was over. He should have gotten the license plate and description of the car and called it in to the police.

You don't shoot people because you can. You shoot them because you must or you may die.

rbwhatever1 wrote:Totally justified shooting by any Law Abiding American Citizen from the report.