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Jumping Frog wrote:Jrma, if an officer wants to assert he needs to unload a holstered handgun for officer safety, either the holster is an unsafe piece of garbage or the officer is acting like a doofus.

Jumping Frog wrote:

Dave2 wrote:Yeah, but it's only "in plain sight" because he or she forced you to put it in plain sight. Before the officer started telling you what to do, said gun was concealed and not in plain sight.

Legally, he had the authority to disarm the CHL if he felt it was necessary for officer safety. If it is handed to him with the serial number in plain sight, then the plain sight exception applies.

That was entirely the point I made earlier in this thread that sliding a paddle holster off the belt and handing over a holstered handgun is interesting, because now the serial number is not in plain sight and the plain sight exception does not apply.

Dragonfighter wrote:

Carzan wrote:

C-dub wrote:

Carzan wrote:Put a frog into a pot of boiling water he will jump out immediately. However, put a frog into a pot of room temp water and slowly heat it up and he will sit there until its too late and the heat has overcome him.

The government is taking the second approach.

And it sounds like your science classes in school were a bit different than mine. Either that or, do your parents know what was really going on out in their garage?

Actually, I don't even know if it's true. I heard that somewhere and it makes a really good analogy for this discussion. I bet the frog actually jumps out in each scenario.

I had a girl coming over for supper one time when I was in school. I salted up some water, tossed a couple of lobsters in it and went off to shower and shave. When I came back to check, the pot was empty. I found one when I saw a canister moving on the cabinet. The other was a little more difficult but he (she?) had worked into the space between the cabinet and fridge. So yes, starting with cool water and start increasing the heat, they'll leave. But you toss their happy selves back in when the water is boiling, they're not going anywhere.

My experience with cooking frogs is limited in that I have never cooked an intact and extant frog. But if I did I s'pect the experience might be similar.
FWIW, the boiling frog metaphor is just another iteration of the non sequitor fallacy.

Maybe a metaphor likening it to cancer, by the time you see the symptoms it may be too late.

Carzan wrote:

C-dub wrote:

Carzan wrote:Put a frog into a pot of boiling water he will jump out immediately. However, put a frog into a pot of room temp water and slowly heat it up and he will sit there until its too late and the heat has overcome him.

The government is taking the second approach.

And it sounds like your science classes in school were a bit different than mine. Either that or, do your parents know what was really going on out in their garage?

Actually, I don't even know if it's true. I heard that somewhere and it makes a really good analogy for this discussion. I bet the frog actually jumps out in each scenario.