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MadMonkey wrote:

jmra wrote:Sorry, but I'm not going to use the excuse of assuming that a woman tied up on the side of the road may be involved in something consensual in order to avoid my obligation as a human being to at least investigate wether or not she in fact needs assistance.
IMHO this whole thread is based on someone's complete misunderstanding of what an instructor was suggesting. There is little doubt in my mind that the instructor was telling his students that if they did in fact have to pull their weapon around other people that they should clearly state that they have a CHL not as a cry for assistance from other CHLs, but in order to avoid being shot by another CHL who might otherwise mistake them for the BG.

An "excuse" to not act? No. It's minimizing risk and not playing hero when you or your loved ones are not involved and when you have no clue what is actually going on. There are just too many variables in play, and I trust pretty much nobody outside of my family to tell me the truth. Sure, ask if either of them needs help if you want, but even then I'm not making a judgment call.

If there's an obvious threat to someone's life, then I'd be more inclined to take action, but even in that situation it's dangerous since you don't know the circumstances leading up to that point.

MadMonkey wrote:It's probably been said, but if I heard a cry for help and saw someone with a gun, there's NO way I'd want to get involved because you do not know what is happening. Even something so seemingly obvious as a gunman running down the street with a moneybag over his shoulder could be something as simple as a few college kids shooting a stupid video (heck, I worked as a surveyor when I was much younger and when we were bored beside a roadway, we'd start fake fights to see if anyone would stop).

It seems like a sad attitude to take, but often the best (and cheapest) course of action is to STAY AWAY. Watch, be a good witness, take notes, and try to remember details is about all the involvement I want.

There was an example in one of Massad Ayoob's books years ago that has stuck with me... I don't remember the exact words, but it was essentially asking what you'd do if you came across a man behind some trees in a park with a tied-up woman under him screaming for help. The instant response for most males would be to assist the woman, but in reality there are many people who are into *weird stuff* and the entire scene could have just as easily have been consensual. You just don't know nowadays.

So unless I'm in serious trouble (on my back getting pummeled) I don't want to try to call in a bystander, and on the same note I don't want to step into another person's altercation. People are sneaky, and in the heat of the moment it would be easy to end up helping the wrong person.

Kensterfly wrote:A post in another thread got me to thinking. If you were in a large crowd situation (parade, street fair, pre-game tailgating, Saturday afternoon WalMart parking lot) and trouble came your way, wouldn't it be nice to yell out a verbal signal that would bring other CHL holders running to assist you?

Sort of like the Highlanders of Scotland once used: "A Douglas!! A Douglas!! and the whole clan would come rushing into the glen, claymores drawn. A similar number of responders might be the result in Texas!

One board member said his instructor suggested yelling "CHL!!! CHL!!" You'd need something that would easily be heard and understood by the CHL community.
Maybe a simple Carry! Carry! Carry! Of course, the word would have to get out throughout the land for this to work.

Just wondering.