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A-R wrote:What percentage of these searches have been confirmed non-consentual?

anygunanywhere wrote:

jmra wrote:

texanjoker wrote:in places like La Grange ( saw that comment) I would hope armed citizens would check their back yard and handle the problem.

Would have happened that way in Boston/Watertown too if they hadn't already been subjugated.
Sheepdogs ain't worth spit once they've been snipped.

You owe me a keyboard. That can of pressurized air just isn't getting the coffee out between the keys.

Anygunanywhere

texanjoker wrote:in places like La Grange ( saw that comment) I would hope armed citizens would check their back yard and handle the problem.

VMI77 wrote:

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Well the actions taken by the LEO's were certainly out of the norm, and not desirable from a purely
Constitutional viewpoint.

So what are most of you advocating... that the Boston LEO's should have just gone back to their police station for coffee
and donuts and waited for the bomber brothers to turn themselves in? Sheesh.

They did a manhunt for proven killers, they had a 200 or more round shootout, they killed one of them, and captured
the other one. All in only 4 days from the time of the explosions.

Some people wouldn't be happy if they got hung with a new rope. :-)

SIA

No, they didn't really do a manhunt.....in a real manhunt they would have been using dogs to find the guy like the military uses dogs to find insurgents. Dogs can pick up a trail that is hours old. So why no dogs? Looks to me like they had other priorities, and finding the suspect was not #1.

chasfm11 wrote:I'm not OK with the TSA patting down little girls in the name of protecting them. I'm not OK with LE taking a mass punishment approach and pointing guns at civilians while trying to find BGs. The us and them is between the American people and these creeps that want to blow up kids. It is not between LE and the American people. To the extent that actions taken make things look like the latter and not the former, the are wrong. This is not Beziers.

03Lightningrocks wrote:One would have to visit the east coast for a few days to understand but they actually see the government as a parent type figure out there. I was amazed at how subservient east coasters were. I'm talking all up and down the east coast. I spent more time than I wanted in cities along the east coast when playing drag racer. It is sickening at best. No kidding folks. People from that part of the country are the very definition of sheep. I could picture them kneeling down at obama's feet and kissing his ring. We aren't talking just exceptions either. It is the vast majority of them.

VMI77 wrote:

texanjoker wrote:Guess I will be the only one not afraid to post in disagreement. Are there any proven cases where somebody went outside and was arrested? I have not read about one. They asked people to stay inside and they did while they went house to house in a contained area looking for a terrorist believed to be armed with weapons and explosives. It obviously worked because the terrorist stayed put and they were able to apprehend him w/o anybody else being injured. Obviously the residents of Boston who lived through this don't have an issue with it due to the parades, ect they are throwing for the officers.

Wow. Just wow. I've seen the videos of people being pulled out of their homes at gun point, hands over their heads, while the cops yelled at them like they were criminals. There is a photo out there of an officer pointing his M4 at someone looking out their window. The video below, a TV station video, says they BROKE DOWN A DOOR and forced the cowering residents outside at gun point. That is what you're supporting? Even some of the cheerful slaves admitted they were scared and intimidated at being forced out of their homes at gun point. They ordered people to get away from their windows --that too was in one of the videos. On one video the guy says his neighbor went outside, refused to go inside, and was arrested and taken to jail. Can I prove it, no. But what difference does it make? Here's a 4th Amendment refresher:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

Am I secure in my home when law enforcement points a gun and me and orders me to leave my home? You're down with pointing guns at people holding babies? Do you place any limits on what orders you will follow? Would YOU break down my door under similar circumstances, point a gun at my wife and force her out of our home at gunpoint, without a warrant, without probable cause that she'd committed a crime, and try to pretend as they did here, to be in hot pursuit? The officers that participated in these tactics are helping the left kill our Republic and turn this country into a police state. Like another posted here, I too would be dead. No, I wouldn't have shot at police or displayed a weapon of any kind, but I would have refused their orders, I would not have left my home under my own power, and they would have had to drag, carry, or kill me in front of the TV cameras.

BTW, this de facto martial law wasn't just pulling people out of their homes at gun point, it included shutting down transportation and businesses, preventing people from going to work, and costing people millions of dollars in lost revenue. Just what is the difference between shutting down a city and going house to house at gun point to find one criminal versus doing the same thing in Chicago or Los Angeles to find a bunch of criminals? Why not use this tactic on the gang bangers in South LA? If some deranged lunatic is running around my city and I want to keep my business open that is my business --if I don't live in a police state. And if no one wants to patronize my business under such conditions, that's their business....or at least, that's the way it works in a free country. Hey, the people involved, many of them at least, are apparently fine with being treated like prisoners, and being "locked down" in their cells. Well, I"m not, and I think a lot other people posting here aren't either, and I'm not going to cheerily slip on my shackles to make it easier for law enforcement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... -ZUN3Li0#!