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by barres
Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:56 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: George R Brown Convention Center Houston - Offlimits to CC?
Replies: 26
Views: 5832

barres wrote:Now, what about the Lone Star Convention Center where the Saxet show is held in Conroe? Is that owned or leased by a government entity?
Did some digging and answered my own question. The Lone Star Expo and Convention Center is owned by Montgomery County. Should be another slam dunk to ignore 30.06 signs. Emphasis on "should."
by barres
Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:45 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: George R Brown Convention Center Houston - Offlimits to CC?
Replies: 26
Views: 5832

stevie_d_64 wrote:So then it is clear that the posting of a 30.06 sign at a gunshow event in the GRB is illegal or non-binding then...

So if it is discovered that you busted that sign by entering an area that has been posted improperly, they should still arrest you, charge you, and thus force you (Mr. or Mrs. Test Case) spend lots of money defending yourself against these false charges, to have the court finally rule on your behalf against something that should not have been posted in the first place???

Isn't there a legal proceding, like a "friend of the court" to float a hypothetical case, before a court, that would rule over a "case" like this, without a citizen proving the point???

Or am I barking up a tree with no squirrels in it???
That's exactly what I'm thinking. I would think that such a clear wording of this particular law would invite someone to represent themself, but I always remember the addage, "The man who represents himself in court has a fool for a client." I know I couldn't afford the legal fees and probable loss of my job to be the test case, but this sort of thing really chaps my hide.
by barres
Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:41 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: George R Brown Convention Center Houston - Offlimits to CC?
Replies: 26
Views: 5832

Replaced Texan wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Except as expressly set out in TPC §30.06, a 30.06 sign cannot be used to exclude an armed CHL from government-owned property or property leased by the government. Renting or leasing government property to a non-governmental entity or a person does not change this. This issue came up during discussion on SB501 and the language of the statute is very clear. It is the ownership (or leasing) of the property by a governmental entity that is controlling.

Under what authority would the renter of the property then be able to prohibit CHL at his event?
Um... None. Except that some LEO's/DA's might back him up regardless of what the law states.
by barres
Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:58 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: George R Brown Convention Center Houston - Offlimits to CC?
Replies: 26
Views: 5832

Replaced Texan, I respectfully suggest you reread PC30.06 section (e). It is an exception to the application of this section that the property is owned or leased by a government entity. Not owned and operated by a government entity. Now I agree that the police evidently believe your interpretation of this.

I apologize if I come off sounding like a jerk, but I think the list of places we can't carry is too long, already. I don't want to give up any place I don't have to by law.
by barres
Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:23 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: George R Brown Convention Center Houston - Offlimits to CC?
Replies: 26
Views: 5832

Looks pretty clear to me that the GRB cannot be bindingly posted 30.06, as it is owned by the City of Houston.
PC 30.06 (e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.
(Emphasis is, of course, mine.)

So who wants to volunteer to be the test case, be arrested, and tried? And from what I remember Charles saying, the only decisions recorded as precedents are appellate-level decisions, so if you win in the first trial, there is no clear-cut decision to reference next time it happens to someone.

Now, what about the Lone Star Convention Center where the Saxet show is held in Conroe? Is that owned or leased by a government entity?
by barres
Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:46 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: George R Brown Convention Center Houston - Offlimits to CC?
Replies: 26
Views: 5832

It would be intersting to know who owns the GRB. If it is owned by the city of Houston, wouldn't that invalidate the 30.06 signs they put up for gun shows? How could we go about verifying whether this (or any other property) is owned by a government entity?

As to your question, 40FIVER, I have no idea. THe last time I went to the GRB for anything was before I got my CHL, so I had no reason to look.

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