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poppo wrote:Well, after reading all 7 pages of this thread, I've changed my mind about a dozen times .

Glad that we could clear that up for you, it's just another service that we provide. No need to send cash, this one is on the house.

KD5NRH wrote:

Cutter wrote:Even if my rifle, shotguns and spare sidearm have a cable lock, then one sidearm does not and is on me and ready to go.

Take a look at the LJ3 here: http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum2323.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (pistol version LJ1 http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum2322.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) You can get a pistol and a shotgun one keyed alike so you just need one key to put the pistol away and get the shotgun out at bedtime, or vice versa in the morning. It looks like it would be a lot less of a pain to get on and off, and less likely to scuff the gun than a cable lock.

Note, however, that the shotgun version, as far as I know, only works for right-side-eject guns, since it has a piece that enters the ejection port to fully disable the gun. This also requires that the chamber be left open, but it should be a simple matter to situate it so that you just unlock it and leave the gun in unless it's needed.

Those are cool, and I like the idea of one key. Not too expensive either.

Thanks for forwarding those links, I will probably pick up some of those.

fickman wrote:

Cutter wrote:I usually only have one firearm at a time ready for protection, (sometimes 2) but I always have at least one. I carry at home 100% of the time. Even if my rifle, shotguns and spare sidearm have a cable lock, then one sidearm does not and is on me and ready to go. I didn't mean to insinuate that all of my firearms were locked except at night. Just any firearm that is not actively in my control at the time.

Well, until I get the gun safes, I'm considering adopting your cable lock procedure. It'll require more active management of the firearms on a daily basis, but as the kids get older, it's wise to do.

I forgot to say that I would LOVE to have one of those nice gun safes, but they are very expensive. Certainly expensive when compared to a cable lock running through the action of the gun. You can get a decent cable lock for $6 - $7 and it does the trick. It's much easier to come up with $7 X the [number of your firearms] than it is to come up with the cash for the safe. If money were not an issue, I'd have a big ol' gun safe sitting in my bedroom right now. It would be nice, not just for guns, but for important papers, cash, jewelry and anything of value and would protect a lot of that stuff in case of fire.

Maybe Santa will load one of those in his sleigh next year.

fickman wrote:As Charles Heston said, if the gun isn't loaded (and I'll add - accessible), then it's not for home defense.

Amen, I believe that 100%. If you have to go through 5 layers of security, then you're in trouble when the time comes that you need it. You only have seconds to be ready to protect yourself and your family. I ALWAYS have a firearm that is quickly accessible.

fickman wrote:I'll remind you that home invasions don't only happen when everybody's tucked away into bed for the night.

Even taking the advice of using a cable lock except at night (which doesn't help you if there is a daytime home invasion or other emergency)...

I usually only have one firearm at a time ready for protection, (sometimes 2) but I always have at least one. I carry at home 100% of the time. Even if my rifle, shotguns and spare sidearm have a cable lock, then one sidearm does not and is on me and ready to go. I didn't mean to insinuate that all of my firearms were locked except at night. Just any firearm that is not actively in my control at the time.

roberts wrote:It's not much good against crooks but a cable lock through the action of a pump shotgun is a cheap way to help prevent accidents.

I use a cable lock on all of mine when they aren't in my control. I take it off of the shotty at night before bed in case I go for it rather than the .40 under my pillow.

-CT

My 13 and 10 year old daughters understand gun safety and are flawless, so that is good. My 3 year old son is incredibly curious, and in my house I know that he will stumble upon a firearm, so I continually give him the "talk" about safety and not to touch it under any circumstances. I tell him that if he wants to touch it, he has to ask me. When I'm cleaning one, he will walk up and show a lot of respect for it and then ask to touch it. He understands that it will hurt him and he already understands that a firearm is not a toy. Even though firearms that are not under my control are locked, I want him to build good safety skills now and demystify firearms so that he will not get himself into trouble at a friend's house or something. I let him to quench his curiosity under my supervision.

This is how my dad taught me and it worked very well. I knew not to touch it unless I was with my dad and if I was curious I went to him and we would look at it together and he would give me a safety speech. Because of the way that he handled it, I never felt that I had to sneak around and I always had his supervision. It worked out well.

The back up plan is a lock though. If not under my control of course.