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by Conagher
Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:08 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 16745

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

PeteCamp wrote:Gentlemen ... I sure wish there were some way to constructively channel all this energy and strong feeling into fixing this ridiculous law by legislative means. I may be missing it, but it seems folks in states that either have open carry and concealed carry, or precisely worded concealed carry laws don't seem to have these concerns. Can we not use these kinds of incidents to campaign for better and more effective legislation? Maybe the "Handog Ammendment"?

Seems to me it would sure be a better use of our time and energy than arguing amongst ourselves.
EXCELLENT POST PeteCamp!

As a form of self amusement I did a forum search for “printing”, “wally walk” and “conceal”.

WOW!

There is no way I could get through every post (over 7K) but it was eye opening to recognize the concern, fear and apprehension that exists. The primary amusement part was reading through what I would refer to as the many alley-oop double-back flip antidotes (larger pants, bigger shirts, special vests, smaller gun, different holster, don’t sit in this type chair, stand here, walk this way, don’t reach up, etc., etc., etc.). Of coarse with the caveat that none of this is really required by law; but possibly necessary to “beat the ride”.

I could not help but think of Ben’s statement in regards to those willing to give up a little freedom for a little safety, deserve neither. (purist relax, not intended to be and exact quote or reference). Maybe ol’ Ben recognized what has become apparent in the above discussions; that it is hard to maintain footing once you start down that slipper slope. In this case an unnecessary freedom restriction to conceal has unintentionally necessitated additional freedom restrictions on what you wear, how you wear it, what/how you carry, were you go, etc.

Oh by the way, you do realize of coarse that approximately 75% of the U.S. population does not have this freedom restriction. Their forums must be really boring.

BRAVO the "Handog Ammendment"! :clapping:

Thanks and Have a Nice Day!
by Conagher
Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:26 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 16745

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

handog wrote:
gigag04 wrote:
glbedd53 wrote:I agree with that, not so sure I agree that LEO's are that informed on the law, I know too many that are not
How many exactly do you know? I would like name, rank, and department of these officers you know that are uninformed of CHL laws so we can do something about it. If you can - the date you last interacted with these officers would also be a plus.

A phone number would be helpful.
Just call the Round Rock PD and ask for Sergeant Goldman. He is familiar with this case and the officers involved. The arresting officer whom I won't name here told me in fact I won’t get my CHL back (it's in my back pocket) please call and do something about it. Inform them that accidental exposure or printing is not a misdemeanor. It must be intentionaly,purposefully or wrecklessly exposed according to thr law. If the gun is in a DEEP CONCEALD INSIDE THE WAIST BAND HOLSTER AND THERE IS A VALID CHL IN THE WALLET do not arrest.
gigag04

Thank you for your offer to work this situation in your post above; “If this is case we need to get it fixed ASAP.” Seldom do we see people willing to step up and right a wrong and I want to let you know I and I’m sure others here admire you for this. Please let us know the outcome of your conversation with Sergeant Goldman. If the fix you are able to implement with Sgt Goldman at the RRPD is successful maybe that is something we can get deployed throughout the State. This could be a good thing for both LEO and Citizen.

Thanks Again and Have a Nice Day!

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