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Morgan wrote:

Conagher wrote:[quote="Morgan


The problem is your question makes an assumption - that SC will be exercising newly regained freedom. Your question should have been posed thusly:

Do you believe SC will be exercising newly regained freedom? And if so, do you believe TX will still be squabbling?

Clearly, anyone reading his reply can see that his answer to the first question is "No" and therefore the second question isn't asked.

A better question is, "In Texas, will someone propose an open carry bill that won't screw gun owners in Texas?" Because anyone who supports a gun bill in Texas that screws Texas gun owners isn't doing gun owners any favors, I'm sure you must agree.

So, are you answering "no" for seamus, or are you answering "no" for yourself and I should wait for seamus to provide his own response?

Thanks!

I don't mean to offend, but do you read what you quote and question? I clearly said, "Clearly, anyone reading his reply can see that his answer to the first question is "No" and therefore the second question isn't asked."[/quote]

Thanks for your reply Morgan. The answer to your question above is "yes". Have a nice day!

seamusTX wrote:I wrote, "I would not bet that open carry is going to be legal in South Carolina in the foreseeable future."

That's as definite an answer as you'll get out of me. If I could predict the future with certainty, I would bet on the trifecta at Churchhill Downs and retire.

I asked you some questions about the legislative strategy behind H. 3003 in South Carolina. Do you know the answers?

- Jim

Thanks for the reply Jim. Answer to your question above is "no".

anygunanywhere wrote: My response to your question makes as much sense as your request for an answer, and your question is based on your unstated stance that SC is a much more desirable setting for exercising one's second amendment rights and that the SC folks have a much more civilized and efficient means of enacting legislation.

I lived in South Carolina for five years and have visited the state several times since so I know better.

Anygunanywhere

Wow, feel like a rubber band the way you stretched my words. No matter; I'll record your answer as "no" and we can move on. Have a nice day!

[quote="Morgan


The problem is your question makes an assumption - that SC will be exercising newly regained freedom. Your question should have been posed thusly:

Do you believe SC will be exercising newly regained freedom? And if so, do you believe TX will still be squabbling?

Clearly, anyone reading his reply can see that his answer to the first question is "No" and therefore the second question isn't asked.

A better question is, "In Texas, will someone propose an open carry bill that won't screw gun owners in Texas?" Because anyone who supports a gun bill in Texas that screws Texas gun owners isn't doing gun owners any favors, I'm sure you must agree.[/quote]

So, are you answering "no" for seamus, or are you answering "no" for yourself and I should wait for seamus to provide his own response?

Thanks!

seamusTX wrote:

Conagher wrote:Come September 1st, do you believe SC will be exercising their newly regained freedom while us Texans are still squabbling over the who’s, what’s and how’s?

I would not bet that open carry is going to be legal in South Carolina in the foreseeable future.

Do you know the current status of H. 3003? Do you know which committee has to approve it, and who the chairman of that committee is? What is his position on this bill? What support does it have in the Senate? What is the governor's position?

If you don't have a legislative strategy, a bill disappears like a rock dropped in a well. It is an empty gesture at best. At worst, it mobilizes and strengthens the opposition.

- Jim

Thanks for the response. I'll take this as a "no" answer to the question; please correct me if I misunderstand. I'll try to maintain the responses and just for fun we can revisit them in September.

Thanks!

anygunanywhere wrote:

Conagher wrote:Thanks to everyone that replied. I appreciate everyone’s well thought out, germane and focused reply. I have a follow-up question for you:

Come September 1st, do you believe SC will be exercising their newly regained freedom while us Texans are still squabbling over the who’s, what’s and how’s?

There are quite a few states that have less restrictive firearms laws than Texas and striving to regain our infringed freedoms here is our goal. To go along with my previous post, with the possible exception of this single issue, SC is not my idea of a truly free state with respect to firearms freedom.

If your idea of firearms nirvana is South Carolina then more power to you.

How many states are they reciprocal with? I remember! Only the ones the South Carolina Highway Patrol thinks are deserving of reciprocity. I believe our backwards law of mandating our fine attorney general to seek and establish reciprocity agreements is quite neanderthal compared to SC.

Anygunanywhere

Thanks for the response but after reading it a couple times I'm still not sure what your answer was to the referenced question, was it "yes" or "no"?

Thanks!

AWB09 wrote:

Conagher wrote:Thanks to everyone that replied. I appreciate everyone’s well thought out, germane and focused reply. I have a follow-up question for you:

Come September 1st, do you believe SC will be exercising their newly regained freedom while us Texans are still squabbling over the who’s, what’s and how’s?

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Sorry, but I seem to have missed your answer to the question; was that a "yes" or a "no"?

Thanks!

Thanks to everyone that replied. I appreciate everyone’s well thought out, germane and focused reply. I have a follow-up question for you:

Come September 1st, do you believe SC will be exercising their newly regained freedom while us Texans are still squabbling over the who’s, what’s and how’s?

Look what SC can do with only 2,000 signatures and freedom loving legislators!

For Immediate Release – January, 2008 ----

Representative Dan Cooper Introduces Bill to Decriminalize the Open Carry of Handguns In South Carolina[1]


South Carolina is one of only 6 states banning the open carry of handguns. In most states, adults may lawfully carry unconcealed handguns without any permit.[2]

But now Representative Dan Cooper (R – Anderson County) wants to change that.

Cooper has introduced H. 3003, a bill to make South Carolina like most states where anyone legally allowed to own a handgun may carry it openly without any permit. Folks who want to carry their handguns **concealed** will still need a concealed weapons permit. And with 32 co-sponsors, including some heavy hitters, and considering that Cooper is the influential Chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee, it sure looks like H. 3003 is goin’ to have some legs!

H. 3003 comes on the heels of an online petition in South Carolina with almost 2,000 signatures calling for the decriminalization of open carry. See the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/scocp/petition.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. [3]

The United States Supreme Court said recently in the DC Gun Ban case that the Second Amendment secures the right to keep "carry" arms, but not concealed arms, citing to a line of cases upholding the constitutional right to open carry.[4] Notably, neighboring North Carolina’s Supreme Court has held that under that state’s constitution, no license may be required to openly carry handguns. See State v. Kerner, 107 S.E. 222 (1921).

OpenCarry.org strongly endorses Representative Dan Cooper’s effort to decriminalize open carry in South Carolina, and our South Carolina members will be actively working to ensure this effort’s success.