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Looks like DPS can save some money on training auditors. Txinvestigator is on the job!

Maybe now they can hire a few more application processors.

kw5kw wrote:So, how do you teach it now, please.
In my first class 4.5 years ago, I was taught no alcohol...period.
In this last class, they said not intoxicated.

To me, as a reasonable citizen, it still means no alcohol.

I teach this:

I know that a police officer does not have to use a blood alcohol level to determine if I am intoxicated, as a CHL holder. He gets to use his own judgment. While I believe most LEOs use good judgment, I am not going to trust the status of my CHL to an unknown LEO's judgment.

So, since my CHL is important to me, I choose not to drink at all if I am carrying. You get to decide for yourself what you will do.

This point has been debated on this forum before, and I really don't want to open this can of worms again. The only point I really wanted to make was that it was NOT taught the same way at every instructor class, every time, every session, every year. That's why some instructors heard it differently. And, since there are approximately 1000 instructors in Texas, and maybe 10 who post on this forum frequently, that means that there are about 990 of them that haven't heard this debate.

Right or wrong, for the first 2 years I taught that "no legal limit" meant that you could not drink and carry. I know that I heard it that way, because I wrote it down in my notes and circled it! And since there was no one to tell me differently, I didn't know anything else until I went to the next instructor update.

Now I try to stay up on all the latest stuff. I read the forums, read the law and try to understand. I still make mistakes. We all do. But as long as I keep learning, I think I am doing the best I can.

Wow! Guess I went on a rant there! OK, done now.

JKDubb wrote:

txinvestigator wrote: 2. Because there is no "legal limit" of intoxication for carrying while intoxicated, it is illegal to drink any amount of alcohol while carrying. He explained this to me at break that regardless of the law, the CHL holders don't need to be drinking if they carry. so by misinforming them, they think they cannot drink at all.
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This is what I was taught at my class I guess I need to review my manual.

Just how does that UCW thing work?

You know, there is so much of this that is subject to interpretation. And how you teach it comes down to:

Who taught your instructor class?

How did they say it on that day?

What did you write down in your notes?

I used to teach that no amount of alcohol was legal, because I would have sworn that was what I heard. Next instructor update, it was explained a little better... that BAC is not the determining factor in whether or not you are intoxicated; it is up to the officer to decide at the time based on several factors. And, I changed the way I taught it.

So, my opinion is, that's a small point of infraction. Not understanding the 51% rule is a bigger one. Not being open to correction is the deal breaker. We should all be changing what we teach, as we go. Anyone who is teaching exactly the same thing, in exactly the same way, for several years, is not giving his students what they deserve.

You do what you think is right, TXI. If you have talked to him, and he refuses to change, then he has received fair warning.