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Keith wrote:Well went to state fair today. I was stopped at gate with the wand. He was checking everywhere. No biggie I handed him my license and out came the notebook. At that moment I told him that he could write my CHL # down but there was no reason for him to write down my name and address and he agreed. I know the # wont help him find anymore info out about me so I was confortable with that. Just an update for.

Maybe they are already asking for less information. If you freely gave them any type of personal information, that is your decision. I don't agree, but you'll get no criticism from me. I hope you had fun at the Fair.

Keith B wrote:I think what they are trying to say is while they can't refuse you entry for carrying, they can TRY to refuse you entry because you didn't give them information. Personally, I would do just as one individual did and tell them you will show your CHL to a police officer.

As far as it being illegal to write down your information, I don't think it really is. However, legal or not, it is common practice by folks taking drivers license and SSN when you write a check.

Wow. I would never, ever, ever let my SSN be written on a check. Yea, I know if someone really wants pretty much any type of
information they can buy it off the internet. (I have a problem with this). But to write it on a check, have it hit the clearing house, micro phished or digitally copied, stored, and available to who knows how many opportunistic folks prone to ill gotten gains..... no.
I personally have not encountered a request for my SSN (to date). Is this becoming a common practice in certain areas of TX or out of state?

BrianSW99 wrote:

gemini wrote:My understanding of the law was that you ONLY had to produce your DL /CHL if asked for ID by a LEO
or magistrate.

That's true, but you don't have to show your CHL at the fair either. You are free to walk away and not enter if you don't want to show it. The law you refer to applies to times that you have no choice but to produce your ID.

I'll flash it to a "gate wander" to keep them from beeping me. I'll show it to the LEO at the gate. I won't allow a "gate wander" to write my info down in some sort of ledger, register or Fair notebook. If required by the LEO, for Fair ground entrance, to allow the "gate wander" to write my info down, I will leave. A small barage of phone calls would immediately follow this incident.

gemini wrote:Ouch. A store is a PRIVATELY (corp) owned business and property. Accepting a check for payment of goods/services rendered
and requiring a DL is so that in case your check fails to clear, and the store has to file charges to collect, the local DA has a positive ID of who to go after. Why should the Fair's "rules" for entry differ from our state capitals or other government facilities? It is a publicly owned site. What's in the written law and not in the written law are equally important.... I can't find anywhere in my PC stating a written log of my attendance or entry into any government / publicly owned site requires I give my CHL to any ticket taker, gate attendant, wand waver or the Pope. I'm totally against this, if it's current Fair policy, and I'm willing to make a few calls to let my displeasure be known.

The property may be publicly owned, but the State Fair is a private entity that leases the Fair Park. From their webpage:

"State Fair of Texas, Inc. is a private, non-profit corporation. It receives no funds from state, federal or local government and is entirely self-supporting. Programs and policies are set by a 55-member board of directors."

I don't like or agree with their policy, I just don't think they are breaking any laws by recording the CHL license number.

You make my point for me. "The property may be publicly owned......". Exactly.

My understanding of the law was that you ONLY had to produce your DL /CHL if asked for ID by a LEO
or magistrate. What's to keep the recorded names and info the Fair collects from being printed in the
Dallas Morning Snooze, maybe announced over NPR or some other such media. Far out? I don't think so.
I'd have a hard time trusting any type of recorded ID info with a "ticket gate wand waver".
I am planning to take my wife to the Fair later this week. IF they require recorded CHL info from me for
admittance, I'll take a pass on the Fair this year..... and I'll wear my State Rep's office fax & phone out.

[quote="BrianSW99"]As someone pointed out, that law only limits the information the dps is able to provide about you in an open records request. It doesn't restrict the fair from requiring you to provide your chl number. This is the same as a a store requiring your DL number to accept a check. Just as a store can refuse to accept a check without a DL, I believe that the State Fair is probably within their right to refuse entry if you don't abide by their policies. Even if they're govt owned and prohibited from refusing entry under 30.06, they're not technically telling you that you can't carry. Just that you must follow their rules for entry.

Ouch. A store is a PRIVATELY (corp) owned business and property. Accepting a check for payment of goods/services rendered
and requiring a DL is so that in case your check fails to clear, and the store has to file charges to collect, the local DA has a positive ID of who to go after. Why should the Fair's "rules" for entry differ from our state capitals or other government facilities? It is a publicly owned site. What's in the written law and not in the written law are equally important.... I can't find anywhere in my PC stating a written log of my attendance or entry into any government / publicly owned site requires I give my CHL to any ticket taker, gate attendant, wand waver or the Pope. I'm totally against this, if it's current Fair policy, and I'm willing to make a few calls to let my displeasure be known.

Which gate (s), location, did this occur? Maybe I can avoid these idiots.
You also may wish to contact your state representitive. Can't hurt.