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rfs2005 wrote:Well, I tested this past weekend. I just put a piece of "electrical" tape over the laser, and had no issues. I scored a 232, which I don't think is all that bad considering I haven't shot in months.

I would like to give a shout-out to On Target in Benbrook. Very knowledgeable staff. The owner came in and spoke with us for a while about weapon positioning and holster selection. He even gave us all an American flag lapel pin and a copy of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

TexasGal wrote:During my instructor class last April it was required to use the de-cockers and safeties if the gun was so equipped. I could see lots of people up the line who were not expecting to be required to use their guns this way. They were awkward at first, but most quickly mastered the routine. I was glad I was using an XDm

Also, during the class, it was stated over and over that we are responsible for knowing the Admin Rules, so the expected knowledge for instructors is not just the CHL16. They also urged us to check the Admin Rules regularly because they are going to re-write them and we will be expected to keep up with the changes. It might be a good idea to just read through them now and then.

steve817 wrote:Wasn't really a problem, I could see his rationale.

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Russell wrote:

brainman wrote:So it looks like several people won't allow it. These same folks also admit they know of no rule prohibiting it. What gives?
If there's no rule against it, first, why wouldn't you allow it, and second, by what authority are you not allowing it?

This is a very good question. Personal feelings shouldn't be coming into play when it comes to state-sanctioned testing. If there is no rule or law that Texas specifically does not allow lasers on the testing, why should the instructors be able to make up their own additional restrictions?

Heh, my instructor wanted me to de-cock my pistol and take my first shot using the double action trigger after every reload.

sjfcontrol wrote:

wgoforth wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

recaffeination wrote:DPS doresnt allow them, so you think more instructors would know the rule.

How does that follow? Although wgoforth says he remembers them mentioning it in his instructor's class, I don't remember it from mine.
So if it wasn't mentioned in a class, and you didn't try to use one and have them tell you not to, how is an instructor to know?

By the code perhaps?
Texas Administrative Code Chapter 6:
Rule 6.11(a) wrote:The proficiency demonstration course will be the same for both instructors and license applications...
Rule 6.73 wrote:...No optical enhancers will be allowed

And other than reading about it here, how is an instructor supposed to know that the administrative code even exists? If DPS expected instructors to be familiar with the Admin Code, it should be listed in the CHL-16. Or perhaps there should be an instructor's addendum to the CHL-16.

Have you read the Administrative Code in it's entirety to see if there are any other jewels in there for us?

Recaffiniated's comment regarded that more instructors should know about the regulation because DPS doesn't allow them (enhanced optics). I don't see that logic, and said so.

sjfcontrol wrote:

recaffeination wrote:DPS doresnt allow them, so you think more instructors would know the rule.

How does that follow? Although wgoforth says he remembers them mentioning it in his instructor's class, I don't remember it from mine.
So if it wasn't mentioned in a class, and you didn't try to use one and have them tell you not to, how is an instructor to know?

GWE Chally wrote:Since the question was raised about "personal feelings"...

It is not a personal feeling that I would not let you use laser sights. And true, I was not familiar with the obscure admin reg. But, I would not want you to use the laser because I want you to prove that you can safely handle the gun and hit your target. How do I know, other than your word, that you will be carrying the handgun you are qualifying with? For that matter, how do I know it is even your gun? Laser sights are cool, but like anything else, they are not 100% reliable, if you are relying on it and it fails, I need to know that you can still hit your target and not everything else around your target because you didn't have the laser. I guarantee if you are in court facing negligence charges, "Your Honor, I wasn't able to hit the BG because my laser sights didn't come on" would not save you.

Waco1959 wrote:

rfs2005 wrote:Title pretty much says it all. I'll be taking my CHL course this weekend, and I plan to use my Glock 22. I do have a Crimson Trace laser grip installed on it. Will I be allowed to use this during the course? Is that up to the instructor or is it up to the DPS? I don't mind removing it, but I just got it sighted just right, and don't want to have to do it again if I don't have to.

I have one on the gun I used for my test. The instructor said there is no rule or law against using it but he would prefer I didn't. Since it was a CT Laserguard and I didn't want to remove it, we just put a piece of electrical tape loosely over the front. He was happy and my score was still almost perfect.

Jeff