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by wgoforth
Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:26 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

Sandotex5 wrote:Strongly concur with the Sig P238 fans-- I love this gun! I also have tried various single stack 9mm's and currently own the Beretta Nano. I like the Nano better than any of the others (Solo, LC9, Kahrs) but even it doesn't carry as well or shoot as well as the P238 in my hands. I'm definitely eagerly awaiting the P938 because I agree with having more stopping power. Still, so far I'm much more likely to carry my P238 and shoot it with confidence. I know Sigs aren't cheap but if you're going to pay for something important I think it's worth it. Also, my wife can rack the P238 without problems. For what it's worth...
I am interested in holding the 938 in the flesh as well.... what I do know is the barrel is slightly longer, .4", and the grips are slightly wider to accomodate the 9mm. Since this P238 fits my hand well, I don't know what the diff will be in the wider grip on the 938. I know somewebsites discussing the 938 are actually showing pics of the 238. The 938 also has an external extractor.

Good comparisons of the two seen at http://www.hausofguns.com/2012/01/23/th ... -sig-p238/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by wgoforth
Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:37 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

BTW... some great reviews and comparisons of these smaller guns to be found at http://www.mouseguns.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Be sure and look at the cool PDF chart of them on the left hand side "Pocket Gun Chart."
by wgoforth
Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:26 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

baseballguy2001 wrote:I've recently jumped on the .380 bandwagon myself. I recommend you take a look at the S&W Bodyguard .380. It has a built-in laser, but it also has decent sights too. It's a double action only semi auto, very thin, and very concealable. The trigger is fairly long, and can be stiff, but if it hits the fan, I doubt one would notice. The Bodyguard also has a slide safety, a feature not too many other mouse guns have. I practice my draw and snap the safety off for a smooth even motion. I mostly carry the Bodyguard in the summer, in the winter, (or what there is of it) I carry my G27 in .40. Quite a bit more punch than the average .380, but still a concealable weapon.

Just my .02
The BG is a nice gun, and has something none of the other pocketable guns have, and they don't even advertise the feature.... second strike capability. You get a bad/hard primer, you can pull the trigger again and most of the time they will fire on the second strike.

The laser is good to learn with, helps to learn how and where to aim, though in a true emergency self defense, you would be unlikely to be able to actuate it in time to really help. It does provide a good counter weight for under the barrel to reduce muzzle flip.

On the safety.... I'd leave it alone. It is flush and stiff and when you have the adrenaline dump, you lose fine motor skills and bigger chance of forgetting it or not being able to take it off. Since it is DAO safety not really needed anyway.

The Sig P238 does have an external safety, and being single action is a must. The LCP/TCP/P3AT/Body Guard guns are all double action with long, hard trigger pulls. Not needed. Glocks don't have safties for same reason.
by wgoforth
Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:02 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

rcasady wrote:love love love my p238 ... im just not a double action guy but theres alot to admire about these single stack 9's.
that being said if your not in a hurry u might wanna check this out ..
another member showed me this and now im wishing i had it :banghead:
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductD ... treme.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; its a p238 but in 9mm !!
Maybe I am misunderstanding....but the P238 issingle action.
by wgoforth
Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:01 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

S&Wgrl wrote:Is it the Taurus that doesn't allow the slide to stay locked and open?
No, the Taurus locks back on emty. The Ruger LCP and Kel Tec P3AT do not. Bodyguard also does.
by wgoforth
Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:52 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

S&Wgrl wrote:
TexGalRK wrote:I currently carry a Taurus 709 slim in an Uncle Mikes holster quite comfortably. Love this thing... my husband does too.(He went and bought the same for himself.) I had carried my Bersa 380 a little bit, but wanted to carry at least a 9mm(besides my bersa is finicky about ammo and I never know when it won't like something. :roll: ) Carrying my Taurus 24/7 was kinda bulky and heavy in the purse, not to mention carrying it on my person was hard to conceal, so the Slim 9 was the way to go for me. As you can see I m partial to the Taurus. Only had good experiences with em. That's my 2 cents, hope it helps!
RK~ :txflag:
Thanks, I will check out those too!
I had a 709, and was indeed a decent gun, esp for the price. I hated the trigger though. I found it to be long and gritty. I too have had good luck with Tauri's, even though many laugh about them, the 24/7 is an especially good gun.
by wgoforth
Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:09 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

2012CHLholder wrote:Interesting topic as I have been looking at .380s also. I had planned on a TCP738, until I shot a Bersa Thunder .380. Though larger, the Bersa felt good and performed well. The fixed barrel design has been said to help in the feeding. I have not fired a TCP 738. Would like to, but I am sure the recoil of the polymer frame will be much greater. The Bersa would probably hold up longer using the +P ammo also.
If interested in the polymer lineup, try the Smith and Wesson Bodyguard .380. Much less recoil and more accurate with a built in laser.
by wgoforth
Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:11 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

The Annoyed Man wrote:
wgoforth wrote:Been a lot of negative reviews on the Solo. Anyone with personal experience?
I know that at least a couple of members here have one. The "negatives" i read on it were two-fold (from Gun-Tests magazine):

1. the recoil spring. It's pretty stiff, which makes manually cycling the slide a bit of a chore.

2. the tang that sticks out of the front of the magazine floorplate can "bite" some people's hands.

Personally, I'd want to shoot one before I spent $700 on it, but if it didn't bite my hand and it functioned reliably, I wouldn't let the recoil spring be an issue. Pretty much any tiny 9mm has a stout spring. My PM9 certainly does.
Yes, most small .380's have the stout spring too. The negatives I have read in reviews is not feeding properly, though some have responded saying it only does that when you use the less than suggested ammo. I believe they say it should have 124 grain minimum. For $700, I would want it to eat anything I feed it, though I know smaller guns can be picky about ammo.
by wgoforth
Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:17 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

The Annoyed Man wrote:Let us not forget the Kimber Solo (if money is no object): http://www.kimberamerica.com/solo

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Been a lot of negative reviews on the Solo. Anyone with personal experience?
by wgoforth
Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:15 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

SATX-Scrub wrote:I love my single stack 9mm P290. Once I got used to the DA long pull it was a breeze. Its dead on accurate (laser if you want it) and it tucks nicely in my Crossbreed. I like the hammer fire too. Just a hair bigger than the P238 but you get the more affordable ammo choice. The extra 4 oz help with any recoil. Spent casings land on the far right of center too!

It fits in my small hands too!
I have seen several folks talking about more affordable ammo when comparing 9mm to .380.... but be sure and compare current prices rather than a couple of years ago when there was the shortage of .380's. Right now I am paying the same for 9mm and .380. Otherwise the 9mm is superior to a .380 in many ways, agreed. But price no longer seems to be an issue. I pay $13.95 for PMC, and Blazer. $14.95 for Independence and Federal Eagle in .380.
by wgoforth
Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:31 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

A-R wrote:+1 on thin concealable 9mm (I love my Walther PPS)

When analyzing .380s really helps to separate them a bit as they typically come in two varieties:

(1) Tiny, über compact pocket guns with polymer frames and short recoil operation
Examples: Ruger LCP, Kel Tec P3AT, Taurus TCP, Kahr P380, S&W Bodyguard.380 (not to be confused with either modern not classic "Bodyguard" .38 special revolvers)

These guns are TINY. Weigh about 10 oz - easy to conceal, can be difficult to shoot (not much grip to hold, small sight radius) but the short recoil action can be a bit more forgiving than straight blowback (see below)

(2) larger steel or aluminum framed guns with blowback operation
Examples: Walther PPK, Bersa Thunder, Sig Sauer P230/232, Browning BDA, Beretta 84/85

These older designs are very accurate for their size because of fixed barrel blowback operation - but side effect can be some harsh recoil directly into palm of hand (as opposed to muzzle flip experienced with larger calibers like .40 S&W using short recoil action). Theyre also larger and heavier overall than above group. Classic design, most are well built and can be expensive. In many ways this class of gun is being replaced by the thin 9mm guns that are neary same size/weight, with more stopping power from 9mm cartridge, and same or even less felt recoil because of short recoil operation.

(3) Newer classification of larger short recoil operated .380s
Examples: Walther PK380, maybe a Taurus
Combines relative size of blowback guns with less jarring short recoil operation for a very soft-shooting gun

I am a .380 fan and I concur with all the above. Bersa is a nice gun, but the recoil is stouter than my Sig P238 because of that blowback design. Due to the 238 being all metal, the perceived recoil is minimal. And, with the extended mag, I can get all 4 of my fingers around the grip with a 7+1 (8) round capacity. The slide is unusually easy to rack for such a small gun, which is often a problem for the ladies. I think half of us who have the P238 have it because our wives got them due to ease of racking....then the husbands tried them and liked them. I encourage spouses to have matching guns anyway.
by wgoforth
Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:57 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: .380 question
Replies: 43
Views: 5905

Re: .380 question

S&Wgrl wrote:I took my CHL class this weekend. It was so good! Shout out to Karen Rabe in Texas City. She is a great instructor. I have a S&W 9mm and it is too large for me to conceal on my body. I do not want to purse carry. I shot a friends .380 and I did not like it! That sucker spit out the casings like a projectile. She was hit in the head once and it drew blood. Do all .380's do that? I've seen a lot of subcompacts that are .380's. I really like that size for CC. I also like the Springfield XD9. I guess I'm also looking for suggestions. I shot a 22 over the weekend and did not like that at all. I will use my CC for range time as well as my S&W.
I will be reading through the forum for suggestions too. I mainly wanted to know if all .380's operate that way. Also, any likes and dislikes on the Springfield XD9 would be appreciated.
No, they don't. I have had a Kel Tec P3AT, Ruger LCP, Taurus TCP and a S&W Bodyguard and none of those did it. My Sig P238 was doing that, so sent it back for extractor adjustment. Now instead of straight back in face, it ocassionally pops it straight in the air, then back on top my head. Only does it with cheaper ammo. Less powder not cycling at 100%. Right now, wife and I both carry aSig P238 and is my favorite of all .380's due to accuracy and actually fun to shoot, compared to the unfomfortableness of the polymer ones recoil.

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