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gigag04 wrote:I wouldn't carry a Kel Tec if you paid me.

Out of those I would go with a ruger.

Interesting...so if a BG was after you and you found a KT handy I assume you wouldn't use it? LOL. Anyway, that's about how these should be considered is emergency use only. They go bang every rime, but no fun. 90% of self defense situations will be under a 12 ft distance. Both the round and the sights should be sufficient for such. I own(ed) all 3 and would rate KT as ok; Ruger good; TCP better; sig 238 even better.

NOTE: Sig has had several problems with the 238. So while it can be a great gun, don't assume given the name and price it is going to be a magically great gun. Mouse guns simply cannot be great guns. They can be adequate but not great. You simply cannot overcome physics.

I agree bad sites... BUT remember these are for bad breath range. If you have to use it, you probably won't be aiming, just bringing it out and firing. Plus, they wanted limited to avoid snagging. TCP has better sights and the sig 238 even better. For an easily concealed gun, with sights and a better caliber, the Taurus 709 SLIM is a pretty good gun. It can hide in front pockets as well. Less recoil and even fun to shoot.

Austinrealtor;
You said keep gun dollars in America? The TCP is made in the USA in Miami. The only Taurus that currently is with plans for more. There is a size limit on what can be imported so they built the plant for it here.

All 3 will get the job done and make for decent "get off me guns." The Kel Tec's plastic is rougher and needs to be filed at seams to not cut into you when firing. It goes bang every time and is cheapest of the 3. Recoil is nasty but not unmanageable, but you don't want to shoot more than a few mags at a time. LCP is a lot better fit, so rough seams, already fluffed and buffed (which is what most do to the KT's right off). The LCP has a manual slide lock (you have to push it on, but will hold the slide open). Has an internal extractor rather than KT's external. The TCP is the best of the bunch. Recoil not as sharp as either, and has a an automatic slide lock. TCP comes with a neat belt pouch for hidden in the open carry. All 3 will eat about anything, never had FTF nor FTE after break-in. With the TCP being a tad cheaper, I believe you get more bang for your buck with it. you can find them on gunsamerica for $270 even though I can't find any on local shelves.

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Put a Hogue Handall jr grip on any of the 3, and it feels like another gun. Tip: Put the grip on UPSIDE down and it will fit better.