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by DEADEYE1964
Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:07 am
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Liberty wrote:
DEADEYE1964 wrote: I too dislike the media but if it was not for the Plano cop, which I respect, DPD would have swept this so far under the rug, you would have never heard about it. The last I heard there was 3 different people who have now come out against this guy and I am sure there will be more once they do not fear him anymore.
I think its a little unfair to claim tha DPD would sweep it under the rug. DPD would not have known their was a problem until the Plano officer complaiined about it. Moats never made a complaint.

Are you saying that if the Plano cop did not come forward and DPD found out another way, they would discipline the officer ? I am saying that he would have gotten a slap on the wrist if that plus if the media did not have the story, all of these other cases would not be coming out so DPD would not know the extent of the problem they have. I do believe in taking care of things internally but that does not mean ignoring the problem. Trust me, there would not of been the news conference and public apology if the media did not have a hold of this.
by DEADEYE1964
Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:56 am
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Purplehood wrote:
DEADEYE1964 wrote:We will revisit this once all of the reports have come in and the investigation is over and we will see if it is spurious reasoning. You do not wake up one day and act like he did, this is showing to be a pattern. You think he is above physical abuse when it is obvious that he has power issues. I too dislike the media but if it was not for the Plano cop, which I respect, DPD would have swept this so far under the rug, you would have never heard about it. The last I heard there was 3 different people who have now come out against this guy and I am sure there will be more once they do not fear him anymore.
I think you are totally missing my point.

Who said he was above physical abuse? I did however state that it is a leap of faith to assume that physical abuse ever occured in the first place. Just where did that come from?

I understand being annoyed, but I don't understand attributing various criminal activities to a person because of one particular behavior set. Maybe I need to watch more TV and fancy myself a forensic psychologist.
I apologize, I worded the sentence incorrectly, I meant to ask the question, do you think he is above physical abuse when it is obvious he has power issues ? You do not need to be a forensic psychologist, just read a few books to know that people who struggle with abusing power have a real high probability of physical abuse, that is where that comes from. I do not believe or say there was physical abuse in this case, let's just see if it surfaces when the people come forward and the investigation is over. I hope I am wrong.
by DEADEYE1964
Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:40 pm
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Re: Inexcusable behavior by DPD officer

Purplehood wrote:
DEADEYE1964 wrote:
frazzled wrote:
Purplehood wrote:
DEADEYE1964 wrote: I think he deserves to have the crap beat out of him and with his attitude, he will get it. His job is to serve and protect, not abuse his power with his badge. Like I said in another post, several more reports are coming out about this guy, it was not an isolated incident. There will be more reports, do you think he just started being a jerk that day ?
I agree with the majority of posters that the Officer did not handle this well. However, I have seen at least two posts with the highlighted statement above which I think is totally inappropriate.
Agreed. He needs to be disciplined as any employee. Anyone who thinks he needs to be assualted is thinking from emotion, and needs to take a breath.
Emotion, you are probably correct, this kind of behavior gets me going. We will revisit this when more reports come out and we find out that he has abused people physically and emotionally. I am pretty sure if they keep looking, they will find several more abuse cases against this power munger. If I was a defense attorney, I would have every case pulled that this idiot was involved in and have every prosecution overturned.

Okay, I have taken a breath and still stand by my comments, this is not a cop that had a bad day, this is a guy that abuses the badge and does not care. Like I said early on, he will pull over the wrong guy one day and his attitude will get him in trouble.
Where in the wide-world did that one come from? I too do not like the way that things were handled. Videos are great, but can be manipulated simply by deleting portions.
We first see a video where the Officer is apparently treating the folks outside the hospital in a less than stellar manner. Much later, some of us find out that not only did this guy break numerous traffic laws (for a reason, valid or not) but that he continued to do so after the Officer lit up his lights/sirens. We all know how we feel when we get cut-off on the road, as an Officer would you be any less annoyed when your lights/sirens are ignored?

I think overall the Officer failed to handle this correctly. But the notion that he needs to be beaten silly, or that by default he must abuse people physically is spurious reasoning at best.
We will revisit this once all of the reports have come in and the investigation is over and we will see if it is spurious reasoning. You do not wake up one day and act like he did, this is showing to be a pattern. You think he is above physical abuse when it is obvious that he has power issues. I too dislike the media but if it was not for the Plano cop, which I respect, DPD would have swept this so far under the rug, you would have never heard about it. The last I heard there was 3 different people who have now come out against this guy and I am sure there will be more once they do not fear him anymore.
by DEADEYE1964
Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:46 am
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frazzled wrote:
Purplehood wrote:
DEADEYE1964 wrote: I think he deserves to have the crap beat out of him and with his attitude, he will get it. His job is to serve and protect, not abuse his power with his badge. Like I said in another post, several more reports are coming out about this guy, it was not an isolated incident. There will be more reports, do you think he just started being a jerk that day ?
I agree with the majority of posters that the Officer did not handle this well. However, I have seen at least two posts with the highlighted statement above which I think is totally inappropriate.
Agreed. He needs to be disciplined as any employee. Anyone who thinks he needs to be assualted is thinking from emotion, and needs to take a breath.
Emotion, you are probably correct, this kind of behavior gets me going. We will revisit this when more reports come out and we find out that he has abused people physically and emotionally. I am pretty sure if they keep looking, they will find several more abuse cases against this power munger. If I was a defense attorney, I would have every case pulled that this idiot was involved in and have every prosecution overturned.

Okay, I have taken a breath and still stand by my comments, this is not a cop that had a bad day, this is a guy that abuses the badge and does not care. Like I said early on, he will pull over the wrong guy one day and his attitude will get him in trouble.
by DEADEYE1964
Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:57 am
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frazzled wrote:
G.C.Montgomery wrote:
DEADEYE1964 wrote: He did not blast through the red light or was he driving 100 mph like the idiot cop in Dallas last week that flipped his car, he slowed down to make sure no one was coming then ran the light, I would do the same. Several more reports are coming out about this cop, this was not an isolated incident. This guy is a power munger and needs to be dealt with.
Powell's decision to stop and detain Moats was correct. Until Moats stopped, there was no way for Powell to know why Moats was speeding or failing to obey traffic devices. So the initial traffic stop was certainly legit. To argue otherwise is unreasonable. It's Powell's behavior after that point which is at issue and as you noted, this apparently isn't his first time showing poor judgment. Like I said, if Powell can't figure it out, he's in for a rough and/or short career.
No. He his employment needs to be terminated, not reprimanded, not suspended. Terminated. This loser with incredibly poor judgement has the right to kill people. If he doesn't have good judgement he's unfit for the job, just like any other position would fire him. If I understand correctly, at one point he drew his weapon.

Terminated.
I agree 100%, he does need to be terminated. I have seen several versions of this video on youtube, how there are several versions, I do not know, I guess there were shortened for news time. You are correct, the police report according to the media says he did draw down on Moats at the beginning of the stop. You need to watch part 2 of the video, the officer was talking to another officer that arrived on scene and they were laughing and talking about where to go eat.( search dallas traffic stop part 2 on youtube).
by DEADEYE1964
Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:48 am
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ninemm wrote:
MOATS: "Right now, you're wasting my time."
I think it was this extremely disrespectful comment that started the situation downhill. Note at what point in the confrontation this comment was made.
That is not what started it, at that point the scumbag was wasting Moats time, it had already been explained what the situation was and the power munger still had no intention of letting him go inside so yes, he was wasting Moats time.
by DEADEYE1964
Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:45 am
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Re: Inexcusable behavior by DPD officer

KRM45 wrote:
DEADEYE1964 wrote:
I think he deserves to have the crap beat out of him and with his attitude, he will get it. His job is to serve and protect, not abuse his power with his badge. Like I said in another post, several more reports are coming out about this guy, it was not an isolated incident. There will be more reports, do you think he just started being a jerk that day ?
I am dismayed by the fact that you think violence against a police officer is the answer.

I agree that he showed a poor attitude toward this family. He will in fact get what he deserves, but that will be decided by his chain of command, and perhaps by his maker.
The problem is you look at him as a police officer, I look at him as a scumbag.
by DEADEYE1964
Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:10 pm
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Keith B wrote:
roberts wrote:
PsychDiver wrote:Why fight such a battle when a simple answer would do.


It looks like he would have got inside the hospital a lot quicker if he cooperated with the DPD officer.
Give me a break. Moates was trying to reason with the officer and the officer was just being a jerk. He also was doing everything he could to prolong the encounter. Moates was distraught and IMO cooperating very much with the officer. Could you just stand there and take a berating while a loved one was dying a few hundred feet away? I know I couldn't.
I agree, I thought he explained himself quiet well to no avail. I think this power munger would of had to shoot me in the back because I would be going in the hospital to see my loved one before they died. I did not see Moats get out of line or show disrespect at all.
by DEADEYE1964
Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:06 pm
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G.C.Montgomery wrote:
DEADEYE1964 wrote: I agree, I am not upset about the traffic stop, I am upset after two nurses and a Plano cop told him the situation after Moats told him several times as well. I do not know if you heard the scum bags response but he said, I am almost done. I hope someone beats the heck out of this guy and teaches him some manners.

Yep, I heard him. I don’t wish Powell any undue harm but, I do hope he doesn’t do this again. If, as it appears, Powell has a history of this sort of behavior then it’s past time to weed him out. Part of me just wants to give him the benefit of the doubt. In that case, Powell’s actions make me wonder if he just so consumed with writing a citation that he just plain wasn’t listening. That’s not an excuse, but I’m curious to know why he was so dense that day.
I agree with you G.C., I would love to give him the benefit of the doubt, we all have bad days but I think there will be many reports come forward now since this was made so public. I know a lot of good LEO'S and they hate this, they tell me it is hard enough to earn trust and this is a big set back when something like this happens and becomes so public.
by DEADEYE1964
Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:48 am
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G.C.Montgomery wrote:
DEADEYE1964 wrote: He did not blast through the red light or was he driving 100 mph like the idiot cop in Dallas last week that flipped his car, he slowed down to make sure no one was coming then ran the light, I would do the same. Several more reports are coming out about this cop, this was not an isolated incident. This guy is a power munger and needs to be dealt with.
Powell's decision to stop and detain Moats was correct. Until Moats stopped, there was no way for Powell to know why Moats was speeding or failing to obey traffic devices. So the initial traffic stop was certainly legit. To argue otherwise is unreasonable. It's Powell's behavior after that point which is at issue and as you noted, this apparently isn't his first time showing poor judgment. Like I said, if Powell can't figure it out, he's in for a rough and/or short career.

I agree, I am not upset about the traffic stop, I am upset after two nurses and a Plano cop told him the situation after Moats told him several times as well. I do not know if you heard the scum bags response but he said, I am almost done. I hope someone beats the hell out of this guy and teaches him some manners.
by DEADEYE1964
Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:11 am
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cdc101 wrote:
DEADEYE1964 wrote:
ninemm wrote:
Captain Matt wrote:If he wasn't some kind of celebrity would this even make the news?
I agree. I saw the video when it first came out. I guess I look at it a little differently. It seemed to me that the officer would have let it go if Moats had simply provided proof of insurance. In Dallas, if someone is stopped for a traffice violation and cannot provide, the car is supposed to be impounded. It seemed to me that Powell really didn't want to do that be Moats was forcing his hand. I'm a little surprised that people here are OK with people not having insurance on the vehicle they drive.
I guess if you drive a Cadillac Escalade, it's OK to violate the law. Sure, Powell could have shown more compassion but (it seemed to me) that Moats expected special treatment.

I did not get that at all when I watched the video, he actually handled it better than I would have. The cop was out of line and abused his power. He will get his one day, he will pull over the wrong guy having a bad day and pull his crap and get what he deserves. Like I said earlier, a few bad apples make the whole force look bad and LEO'S wonders why no one trust them. They need to make an example out of him to regain at least some public trust.
Can I ask what you think he deserves?


I think he deserves to have the crap beat out of him and with his attitude, he will get it. His job is to serve and protect, not abuse his power with his badge. Like I said in another post, several more reports are coming out about this guy, it was not an isolated incident. There will be more reports, do you think he just started being a jerk that day ?
by DEADEYE1964
Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:07 am
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G.C.Montgomery wrote:
ninemm wrote:Obviously, I look at it differently than most. But the gravely ill person wasn't in the car nor was anyone a doctor who was in the car who needed to get there to possibly save someone. I've been in that situation a number of times. I still don't think it's OK to run stop lights, speed or otherwise drive in a manner that would endanger anyone in the vehicle or other drivers or pedestrians. I have, on two occasions, rushed people to an emergency room with life threatening conditions. Both times I called 911 and explained my situation. Both times a LEO met up with me and gave me an escort. His exact words were, "Stay right on my tail." The first time this happened, the dispatcher called me and told me that the officer wanted me to get closer (like no more than 30 feet). The next time, I understood what to do. Until the LEO met up with me, I drove only a little over the speed limit (about like most of us do all the time anyway) and stopped at stop signs and red lights. I didn't want to compound the situation by being in an automobile accident.

I haven't tried it, but I think if I called and alerted them that I needed to get to the hospital in a hurry because I wanted to see someone whose death was imminent, all I'd get would be an admonishment to relax and not break any traffic rules.

I will agree that the cop was a little over the top in the jerk category but Moats expectations were a little too much, too.
I won’t lie and claim I’ve been in that situation but, I am able to empathize with someone who is rushing to the side of a dying loved one. It is my belief that Powell was beyond just being a jerk and I don't believe Moats's expectations were beyond reason. Based on overwheming respsonse from the public and most of the law enforcement community, you and Officer Powell do look at things a little differently than most.

The initial traffic stop and Powell’s authority to stop Moats isn’t an issue. Moats was speeding and he ran an intersection. Those are offenses under the law and Powell was fully justified in chasing Moats to detain him for the initial traffic stop. I don’t think anyone has argued against this fact. What is at issue is Powell’s behavior after he became aware emergency conditions did exist. Powell was notified not once, but twice by third parties that there was in fact an emergency requiring Moats’s presence inside the hospital. Even with this information in hand, Powell failed to act reasonably.

At no time during the traffic stop did Moats identify himself as anyone special (that is if you watched the same video as the rest of us). Nor did Moats request special treatment beyond stating the emergency and asking the officer to conduct his business as quickly as possible and to be released to enter the hospital due to said emergency. That’s a perfectly reasonable request to me but, apparently you and Powell apparently disagree. Instead of offering help as most of the rest of us might expect, Powell lectures Moats about his attitude and tells Moats “I can screw you over…your attitude sucks.” Moats was about as compliant as an emotionally distressed person could be at that point so the threat wasn’t necessary.

Fairly early on, Powell is notified by a nurse and a security guard that Moats really is needed inside the hospital. If you watched the video, you should note the first nurse actually tells Powell that Moats and his father-in-law are needed inside to authorize resuscitation of the dying party! Powell could and should have released Moats at that time if he had exercised any common sense. Instead Powell continued to detain Moats and process the citation. At the very least this was an error in judgment. However, the earlier “I can screw you over” statement by Powell just makes it look like Powell is abusing his authority.

Things go from bad to worse when Powell is notified a second time by hospital staff that Moats was needed inside. Instead of either expediting the citation and/or releasing Moats, Powell continues to detain Moats and then lectures Moats about Moats failure to respect Powell’s authority to stop and detain him. That’s not over the top; it’s stupid and poorly represents police to the community at large because Powell wasn’t helping anyone. If you can’t see that, I am truly glad you are not a cop because you would endanger the lives of your fellow cops and the citizens you’d supposedly serve.

Most of us know cops already get a bad rap because the only time most of us see them is at the worst times in our lives. I grew up with cops in my family yet, I once held great contempt for most cops for that very reason. The public at large is ignorant of the fact that most cops do a great job of providing a necessary service to the community in which they live because they see themselves as members of the community. They quiety go about their duties without asking for special thanks or recognition. The officers who make it hard for everyone and make the news are those acting as Powell did by forgetting they are providing a service to the community rather than keeping the public under their thumb. In this case, Powell lived down to the image of an idiot going out of his way to prove “I’m the police and I’m in charge” rather than actually helping these people.

I don’t know Powell so I can’t know if his apology for this incident is sincere. I seriously doubt that it is in light of the video and the fact he allegedly told his supervisors he did nothing wrong even after viewing the video in their presence. If Powell is convinced this is the way to do his job; there’s a serious leadership problem in the Big D that is endangering the public and the police. I hope that’s not the issue and I hope Powell is just a young officer who might learn better interpersonal skills from this incident. If not, Powell is surely going to have a rough career and or a tragically short one in which Powell’s attitude gets him, another officer and/or a citizen needlessly killed.

He did not blast through the red light or was he driving 100 mph like the idiot cop in Dallas last week that flipped his car, he slowed down to make sure no one was coming then ran the light, I would do the same. Several more reports are coming out about this cop, this was not an isolated incident. This guy is a power munger and needs to be dealt with.
by DEADEYE1964
Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:52 am
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ninemm wrote:
Captain Matt wrote:If he wasn't some kind of celebrity would this even make the news?
I agree. I saw the video when it first came out. I guess I look at it a little differently. It seemed to me that the officer would have let it go if Moats had simply provided proof of insurance. In Dallas, if someone is stopped for a traffice violation and cannot provide, the car is supposed to be impounded. It seemed to me that Powell really didn't want to do that be Moats was forcing his hand. I'm a little surprised that people here are OK with people not having insurance on the vehicle they drive.
I guess if you drive a Cadillac Escalade, it's OK to violate the law. Sure, Powell could have shown more compassion but (it seemed to me) that Moats expected special treatment.

I did not get that at all when I watched the video, he actually handled it better than I would have. The cop was out of line and abused his power. He will get his one day, he will pull over the wrong guy having a bad day and pull his crap and get what he deserves. Like I said earlier, a few bad apples make the whole force look bad and LEO'S wonders why no one trust them. They need to make an example out of him to regain at least some public trust.
by DEADEYE1964
Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:06 am
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Kuncle should fire the officer but then the police union will fight to get his job back while he is on paid administative leave saying he was doing his job because the guy ran a red light( slowed down first to make sure no one was coming). This guy does not need to be carrying a badge, that was a total abuse of power. The LEO's wonder why we do not trust the police, it is because of things like this and many other reasons. Over the years I have lost total respect for MOST LEO's for several reasons, one, a friend of mine who has been on the force for over 20 years believes he is above the law and he has always abused the power and several others I know have told me in stories that THEY CAN MAKE IT REAL BAD FOR YOU, just like the officer said in that video, I think he should be fired for that alone.

This is not a cop bashing thread, I just think it is the way MOST of the public feels toward them for one reason or another and instances like this do not help the cause. I know there are good cops out there and we do not hear about all the good stuff they do and we always hear the stories like the idiot above but trust me, there are more like him out there, I have met them.

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