I don't agree it's pointless for several reasons.Abraham wrote:AndyC and baldeagle,
Obviously, I'm not articulate enough to get my point across.
I'm not throwing in the towel.
I'm simply stating that polls that are NEVER going to be honest, hosted by leftys - are a waste of time to participate in.
Independently posting conservative/pro gun posts are an entirely different matter.
Or going head to head with a lefty in an open forum.
Or participating in any number of different approaches that aren't fixed make good sense to me to participate in.
Lefty sponsored pre-determined polls: I say: Why bother?
So, it isn't really a poll - it's a hoax.
You're fooling yourself if you think your pro-gun effort is taken into good faith consideration by antis.
Your pro-gun vote goes into the dumper.
Rant off.
First, hitting polls such as this denys them a weapon they need to wage the ideological war they're waging. Polls are used to shape public knowledge and/or opinion. Hammering a poll such as this and tilting the results as sharply as was done here denys them one more poll they could have otherwise hold up and further the lie of "see, here's a poll which says everyone wants this and agrees it's reasonable and rational" With the underlying premise of "you should agree with this otherwise you're unreasonable and irrational" It also denys them a weapon to browbeat legislators into thinking the majority of public opinion does rest in support of unconstitutional civilian disarmament under the lie or guise of 'gun control' Hence votes in elections resting on whatever side of the political fence.
Second, I agree trying to reach the left and change thier mind is a complete waste of time, so far as I'm concerned the breach in our nation and society is complete. There is no more common ground for a bonafide debate, the leftist mindset is such there is no reasoning with them. the current political discourse is in no way any kind've bonafide debate.
However There are still plenty of people in this country who are reachable in terms of the truth and/or the facts. Any efforts we make should be done with those people in mind, not the futility of trying to reach the leftists in this country.
As to who is reachable and how will we know we're reaching them? They are perhaps what's best called 'the remnant' and most likely you'll never know who or when or where or how you managed to reach any of them with the truth. All that can be done is to continue on with the knowledge that we will never find them but they will find us speaking the truth by whatever means available to us.
Third, hammering polls such as this is a worthwhile effort for a reason you brought up. If the polls are fixed as you claim, and I agree they would be if needed, eventually thier credibility will be destroyed. And that is one of things that absolutely needs to be done, destroy the credibility of the positions of the left. So long as thier positions carry any credibility then they can continue on with propagating the lies as truth. Eventually if enough of the polls are fixed, then it will get out and the polls will lose the power of thier credibility. Hence they will no longer have the power to shape public knowledge and/or opinion as well as carry any political power.
I don't see it being impossible for the remnants of our society to look at these polls and see the results, even if they are taken down some will see them before that happens and it only takes one such result as this for a person to at least look at it and stop & think about it. If that individual at least stops to think about the results, then that's the first step and one of the biggest.
Edit: spelling.