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by wil
Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:23 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons
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Re: Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons

Soccerdad1995 wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:24 pm The real question is does anyone in government really believe that nuclear weapons are an effective option to fight an insurgency? If so, then why haven't we nuked all the major cities in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other places where we've fought insurgents?

The possession of nuclear weapons is a net negative for U.S. government forces against any likely insurgent force. They can't use them, but insurgents could use them if they were able to steal them. Nuclear weapons are needed for other threats, but to suggest that they would be an effective option against insurgent forces who are trying to overthrow the government is just ignorant.
It doesn't appear the semi-veiled threats of nuclear weapon usage on the american public are aimed at a public insurgency or something along those lines.
It's be akin to using a flamethrower on a fire-ant mound. Burn everything on top of the mound but what's down in the ground would be untouched. I don't for a minute believe they are not aware of that as well as the political fall-out from such a horrific act. Nuke a city or cities because of a guerilla movement? They know that alone would make for the ultimate recruiting for such a movement.

I do tend to think it's more aimed at secession which is gaining ground within the public sphere and they are very much aware of that and genuinely frightened at such a prospect as they know it's legally and morally right.

The non-stop assault against the legacy of the southern nation of the 1860's being evidence of this owing to the continual screams of 'racist' about confederate monuments, yet those supposed 'claims' never once ask or answer the question as to whether or not the south had the legal and moral right to secede. They are terrified that truth will come out, secession is a right of the public and it leading to secession within the present-day, hence the screams of 'racism' and 'slavery' regarding the legacy of the southern nation. All of it done in an effort to frighten and intimidate people into silence about the legacy of the southern nation and stop any genuine discussion about secession and the legacy of the southern nation.
It is cultural warfare being waged against the truth, it's failing and they know it.

The recent bill within this state to develop a plan for secession very likely terrifies them far more than some insurgency potential owing to what that bill says about the cultural status of secession within the public sphere.
You'll note damn near not a word was said about that bill via the leftist media, damn near a total blackout on that bill.
They do not want public discussion of something like that at all.
I don't doubt at all they would not hesitate to nuke a southern city or several within any state or states that secede. They'd do this in order to terrorize the population of those states into submission of federal rule and end whatever degree of secession had been obtained.
Then claim use of nuclear weapons were justified owing to secession of states was an act of war against the country.
If they cannot stamp out the truth of secession before it becomes public knowledge and culturally acceptable, they will not be able to use this lie to justify what they already have indicated they are thinking of doing.

nukes under this scenario are no different than what sherman did or even worse the Tennessee valley 'campaign' and what was done there. nuclear weapons are more efficient than the technology available back then however the goal and the thinking behind it being the same.
by wil
Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:13 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons
Replies: 64
Views: 20414

Re: Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons

AndyC1911 wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:24 pm
Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons
He sounds paranoid or feels guilty about something - why would he even say that out of the blue?
Because that is what they are thinking but not openly saying.

Evil people will tell you what they are thinking, you just have to let yourself listen. Too many people make the mistake of viewing them through the eyes of rational thought, hence the idea of nuking your own country is akin to outright insanity.

For them it is not insanity, it is what they would do. The same type of government orchestrated mass murder as has been done by leftists many times before, the only difference being a more effective means this time rather than rifles or gas chambers.
They have said many times they intend to mass murder anyone who does not go along with their agenda, biden and swallwell simply made the mistake of openly stating how far they think they will have to go owing to current developments culturally and hence politically.

For ourselves to think in such fashion is so far outside rational thought we just cant comprehend it, despite the historical record of leftism, it's inherent totalitarian rule and inevitable government orchestrated mass murder.

Hence the questions as to his comments.

Why are they thinking things such as this?

Owing to cultural and hence political developments in the country. 2nd amendment sanctuary legislation being one major example, be it city, county, or state level.

Things like that are a game-changer in terms of the agenda they intend to force on the public and legislation such as that represent a major cultural shift within the public and the left is extremely aware of this.

Add our suppressor legislation and the secession bill and the left knows what that means within the public mindset.
They are scared of developments such as that as they know full well where developments such as that will lead to.

These developments stand directly in the face of what they intend to do and put the public in a position to directly deal with them on a basis of confrontation where the public is not helpless, and even more so is in a position to deal with them on something akin to a basis of strength.

That is what they are scared of and why they are thinking about things such as this.
by wil
Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:42 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons
Replies: 64
Views: 20414

Re: Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons

Paladin wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:08 pm
wil wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:27 pm
crazy2medic wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:54 am Somebody ask the Afghan Tribesmen how they pushed the Russians out of their country without the benefit of MIG-29s and Nuclear Weapons, Enguiring Minds want to know?
amongst many factors they had outside help, which put stinger missiles into thier hands and gave them the means to defeat soviet attack helicopters which were up to that point kicking their asses.

Once they had those, the fight changed to roughly their advantage.

we don't have the man-portable capabilities they did and that is the difference.
The Russians weren't really winning before the stinger missiles. They had great difficulty supplying their forces in country and had to fly most things in. But after the CIA supplied training and stinger missiles the Russian position was untenable.James Madison wrote about the situation in Federalist 46:
Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.



Winning is not quite the proper word, they were able to dominate the situation via air-power until the stingers showed up.
they could pretty much control an area via combined arms, air-power and ground forces.

Until the stingers showed up, the locals were taking terrible death rates owing to the attack helos, as well as russian ability to make an airborne assault on a given location, resupply, reinforce, etc. Neither could the locals effectively utilize home-field advantage in terms of movement and terrain owing to this.

Stingers made the russians have to fly at night which limited what the russians could do, and gave the locals something of an advantage in the overall situation in terms of being much more able to use home-field advantage.

The point of this being we don't have the combative ability as an armed public the afghani's had, they also had much heavier man-portable weapons than we have access to, mortars, RPG's, belt-fed, etc.

We are hopefully slowly developing towards things such as this with current political events and especially laws being enacted in this state. Current laws having been recently enacted in this state may very well be the beginnings of ourselves as an armed public having a genuine home-field advantage in terms of a safe sanctuary physically as well as politically and culturally, that remains to be seen however where we are now is a starting point.

It also may be the beginnings of ourselves as an armed public that we are starting down the road to being genuinely armed in the proper sense of the 2nd amendment, which at the very least means the ability to own and bear any man-portable weapon we can. To bear something in the proper sense of the word as used in that amendment means to physically possess and use, hence man-portable. And that alone brings a lot of capability into the picture for an armed public.

Man-portable? A short list;
stinger missiles.
Bazooka
Rpg
belt-fed
select-fire rifles.
any rifle
any handgun
sub guns
hand grenades
explosives
claymores

that's just the short list, what ability does that present? Coupled with a safe sanctuary to operate from and also presents home-field advantage?

how much of that do we currently have? none other than shoulder fired rifles and handguns.

we do have the advantage of numbers and geographic location, in terms of how spread out we are and the area we could possibly control.
by wil
Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:27 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons
Replies: 64
Views: 20414

Re: Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons

crazy2medic wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:54 am Somebody ask the Afghan Tribesmen how they pushed the Russians out of their country without the benefit of MIG-29s and Nuclear Weapons, Enguiring Minds want to know?
amongst many factors they had outside help, which put stinger missiles into thier hands and gave them the means to defeat soviet attack helicopters which were up to that point kicking their asses.

Once they had those, the fight changed to roughly their advantage.

we don't have the man-portable capabilities they did and that is the difference.

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