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gigag04 wrote:I love pointed terms like "constitutional carry"

While I'm pro 2A, I feel like its kind of like saying one believes in the Biblical view of womanhood or some other hotly debated issue. If one truly wants to use the constitution to defend Open Carry, than I hope they are as zealous about giving gun rights back to felons, or allowing drunk people to carry guns.

Most won't, because they are not felons or drunks...so why spend the time and effort to lobby for it.

74novaman wrote:

PATHFINDER wrote:
I don't know why I insist upon trying to sell air conditioners to " Eskimos"- I really don't.

Perhaps it's because I lived with them dang "Eskimos" for 45 years , and I still regularly "travel" within their "Republic", and it saddens me that they are so content with having to trade their right for a privilege.

If anyone wanted an example of OC supporters degrading and insulting the CHL crowd, here it is.

I'd say most of us here would like constitutional carry, open or concealed, no permit. We understand we shouldn't have to pay the state for a permit to carry. It is frustrating.

But, there is reality, and there is candyland.

To act like we don't understand that our RIGHTS are being infringed upon is an insult. What do you propose we do, just ignore the laws?

TSRA, and many members of this board have worked hard to take Texas from a state with NO carrying of handguns before 1995 to a state with pretty good gun laws regarding carry (not perfect, but not awful).

Working together towards better gun laws is of course what we should be doing.

But when people continue to act like we're stupid for accepting the reality of our situation, which is this:

Texans from the late 1800s until 1995 were stripped of their rights.

....it becomes incredibly frustrating. No, we're not happy with the current state of affairs.

But thanks for calling us stupid for working to restore our rights. Do you propose we do anything different that our proven strategy of legislative success? Our gun laws have been steadily loosened since 1995, BECAUSE of the TSRA and the work of Mr. Cotton and others.

But by all means, continue to be snarky about selling rights for privileges. When you're ready to work with us towards campus carry, open carry, and constitutional carry, let me know your suggestions.

Telling us how awful it is that our ancestors didn't fight back against this stuff 100 years ago doesn't help our situation today.

/rant off.

mamabearCali wrote:You know, no one would say that we should only have licensed religion or licensed speech (other freedoms listed in the bill of rights), but we do this for the 2nd amendment and accept it as just dandy. It comes down to a philosophy thing. Are the citizens in this country to be viewed as "we the people" and thus sovereign, or are we serfs asking permission to be able to exercise those rights God has given us. In truth I think if you are not a violent felon, or mentally ill (a proven danger to society) you should be able to carry any way you darn well please without any license whatsoever.

That is theory and philosophy. We live in the real world where we have to deal with the brady bunch and people whose underpants gets twisted in a knot the moment they think they see a weapon. So like I said before take what you can get and if at this time going for constitutional carry/open carry would tear up everything else you are doing then get what you can. Licensed carry is better than no carry, shall issue is better than may issue.