I might be treading a little off topic. . . but I wouldn't be a member anywhere I I couldn't have access to the pastor to have a personal chat. Apologies to those at the mega-churches, that's just my feeling.wgoforth wrote:IF you feel you could talk to them about it, well and good. Downside is you risk being given verbal notice.
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- Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:51 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: verbal 30.06 notice in Church each time ?
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Re: verbal 30.06 notice in Church each time ?
- Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:40 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: verbal 30.06 notice in Church each time ?
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Re: verbal 30.06 notice in Church each time ?
To add to that, if you every sign something confirming you received notice, I'd assume that's effective as long as the entities are unchanged. In that case, I'd want it to have an expiration date or clear renewal period. I'd probably only sign something stating I received confirmation for employment purposes, in which case I'd assume it was effective as long as my employment lasts.
- Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:32 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: verbal 30.06 notice in Church each time ?
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Re: verbal 30.06 notice in Church each time ?
For written notice (30.06 signs) at places where I do not have a relationship with the management or owners, I consider the notice I receive as effective for that trip only (although if I went back in the same day, I'd assume it hadn't changed yet).
Who knows how often company policies are changed, management positions turn over, or ownership transfers in privately owned businesses? If I come back next week, I need to be given notice again. If not, I'll assume that their policies or leadership have changed. I do not feel compelled to circumnavigate every building I enter on a scavenger hunt for 30.06 signs, so if I come back on a subsequent day and do not see a sign, I'll presume they came to their senses and now welcome CHLers.
Without a clear timeline given in the law, and not knowing any relevant cases, I'd presume that a jury would be forced to use the "reasonable person" standard.
At a major mall, verbal notice would seem to be something of immediacy to communicate. It seems reasonable that they would need to tell you on every visit, as they're unlikely to be able to track who has and who has not been notified yet, and they're likely to have a large number of first-time or infrequent visitors.
For a place like a church where you might be more intimately involved with leadership, you might be more reasonable expected to know that nothing has changed from one visit to the next. If you moved away for a year and came back, it might be reasonable that they need to give you notice on your next visit.
If it was your sister's house where you received verbal notice, it'd be reasonable to assume that notice is effective until she actively communicates something different to you.
. . . this is all based on my own personal surmising. I, of course, am not a lawyer.
Who knows how often company policies are changed, management positions turn over, or ownership transfers in privately owned businesses? If I come back next week, I need to be given notice again. If not, I'll assume that their policies or leadership have changed. I do not feel compelled to circumnavigate every building I enter on a scavenger hunt for 30.06 signs, so if I come back on a subsequent day and do not see a sign, I'll presume they came to their senses and now welcome CHLers.
Without a clear timeline given in the law, and not knowing any relevant cases, I'd presume that a jury would be forced to use the "reasonable person" standard.
At a major mall, verbal notice would seem to be something of immediacy to communicate. It seems reasonable that they would need to tell you on every visit, as they're unlikely to be able to track who has and who has not been notified yet, and they're likely to have a large number of first-time or infrequent visitors.
For a place like a church where you might be more intimately involved with leadership, you might be more reasonable expected to know that nothing has changed from one visit to the next. If you moved away for a year and came back, it might be reasonable that they need to give you notice on your next visit.
If it was your sister's house where you received verbal notice, it'd be reasonable to assume that notice is effective until she actively communicates something different to you.
. . . this is all based on my own personal surmising. I, of course, am not a lawyer.