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by Morgan
Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:37 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth
Replies: 80
Views: 11944

Re: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth

Pinkycatcher wrote:But the guy robbing the house would have been caught whether or not he was yelling communist speech, this guy was arrested because he said these words, do you seriously believe a police officer would stop someone just biking by if they said nothing in this same situation? No they would not have, you can argue it til the cows come home, but there are very few officers who are going to do that. This arrest was solely because of his speech, if he would have garnered the attention of the officers in a different way, without insulting them, they would have nearly always let him go with a warning at most, they would not have ticketed him. So yes, he was arrested for his speech.

And to say if he would have kept his "ducks in a row" he would not have gotten a ticket is a fallacy, there are thousand upon thousands of petty infractions that exist, and there's a near 100% chance any given person is breaking at least one of them while doing anything. So if it wern't for these problems, they could have found more.

My gosh... are you being purposely obtuse? I said, point blank, that he was stopped because he opened his mouth. But he wasn't cited because of it. He was stopped because, like a jerk idiot, he brought attention to himself while committing obvious infractions. But no, he wasn't arrested for his speech. His speech is just what brought the attention of the police. The guy robbing the house would be caught? Er.... since when do all burglars get caught? No, the burglar in my example got caught because he was reciting the communist manifesto WITH A BULL HORN. Using a bull horn while committing a crime is unwise. It draws unwanted attention and makes people look at your actions.

Let me give you another example. Let's say someone without a CHL is illegally carrying a concealed handgun in Grapevine Mills Mall. He won't get caught. If it's well concealed, the odds he'll get caught are virtually NIL. Now, let's dress him up in fatigue pants, combat boots, a t-Shirt that says, "Die Pig Die, I'll carry my Gun ANYWHERE I WANT!!" Wrap a turban around his head. Now have him run through the mall singing, "I Want to be an AIRBORNE RANGER!!!" as loudly as he can.

Is he stopped and questioned for his speech, stating how he would like to be a member of the US Armed forces? NO.

Likewise, had the individual on the bicycle been a lawyer and stopped, and given his business card to the individuals who the police had stopped and said, "If you'd like to retain me as your lawyer I'd recommend you make sure the officers read you your rights, and you not say anything further." I bet he wouldn't have faced trouble.

Finally, your little point about how we all walk around with thousands and thousands of petty infractions... That doesn't contradict my salient point.. if all of his ducks were in a row, they wouldn't have done anything. Can you argue with that? Because you certainly aren't going to posit that EVERY person in the US has at least 1 quickly findable, obvious infraction they're committing every second of every day, are you?
by Morgan
Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:27 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth
Replies: 80
Views: 11944

Re: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth

Bart wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:Your wrong, it isn't the same thing. He ran his mouth when he shouldn't have. Folks with big mouths often have troubles others don't. I am sure he had an attitude about authority figures. Well, now he can consider his next big move in life. He sure taught those pesky ole cops a thing or two...LOL.
So much for Freedom of Speech in DFW.

If one were to go robbing houses while blaring the communist manifesto on a bull horn, and one was arrested, would you suppose that this would be the suppression of free speech?

No.

Furthermore, they didn't suppress his speech. When he willingly drew the attention of the authorities to him, they noticed infractions. Had he been infraction free, do you think they would have beat him? I doubt it. Nor would he have been incarcerated for his speech.

Don't make this about something it is not... someone didn't have all their ducks in a row and they peed on the shoe of a police officer. Those infractions wouldn't have been noticed if the guy didn't WILLINGLY open his mouth to be a jerk.
by Morgan
Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:55 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth
Replies: 80
Views: 11944

Re: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth

Well, they didn't kill him or beat the heck out of him, so they obviously did have more self restraint... So what's your question again?
by Morgan
Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:40 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth
Replies: 80
Views: 11944

Re: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth

I'm CERTAIN we don't have the full story. Just sayin'.
by Morgan
Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:12 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth
Replies: 80
Views: 11944

Re: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth

Darwood wrote:
Having the ability to punishing someone for a snarky comment and then doing so, to me, would be an abuse of power.

AGAIN, he wasn't punished for making a snarky comment. His voluntary snarky comment got the unwanted attention of the LEO, who found violations. I guess he should have either kept his mouth shut, OR ensured he was fully compliant with all laws before drawing the attention of a LEO. If he had a crack pipe hanging out of his mouth after the snarky comment, and was arrested for possession, would you say THEN that he was "punished for a snarky comment" and the LEO was "abusing his power"? Just curious.
by Morgan
Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:37 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth
Replies: 80
Views: 11944

Re: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth

nitrogen wrote:
Morgan wrote:Just curious how you guy would like someone walking by your desk at work and making some random jerkish comment about your competence. Nosey jerk, looking for trouble... well he found some. I'll prefer to assume the police didn't lie on the report. it's certainly possible they did, but one would guess that if they randomly searched his backpack and found the gun instead of seeing it, the story would be very different.
As far as I know, it's not against the law to be a nosy jerk.

And as others have pointed out, he wasn't arrested for being one.

But in the average person's job if someone, without provocation is a complete JERK to that person and they have it in their power to make said JERK a little miserable for it in the course of said job, most people will do it. Golden Rule...treat people how you want to be treated.
by Morgan
Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:13 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth
Replies: 80
Views: 11944

Re: CHL Arrested in Fort Worth

Just curious how you guy would like someone walking by your desk at work and making some random jerkish comment about your competence. Nosey jerk, looking for trouble... well he found some. I'll prefer to assume the police didn't lie on the report. it's certainly possible they did, but one would guess that if they randomly searched his backpack and found the gun instead of seeing it, the story would be very different.

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