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Beiruty wrote:As a Muslim, I do not want to get in long debate about this case or terrorism in general.
In short, I would raise an simple an clear objection with this statement:
"OK, we know the terrorists are Muslim. But there are millions of Muslims in the world, so knowing who to arrest or kill is not that simple."

99.95% of all Muslims worldwide do not support targeting innocent civilians. Why?, because it is "Islamically Forbidden"

Have a good day.

Not to discuss religion, but you are incorrect in your statistics.

A survey earlier this month found a very different story than "99.5%".

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Purplehood wrote:Quoting the Surah's of the Koran can be very misleading. The Koran is not a result of heavy and constant editing. It is more like a logbook. It is ideas thrown out in a chronological order, that can be superseded by another surah at a later date.
The vast majority of Muslim's will look at the very Surah's highlighted in previous posts on this thread and realize that they are superseded by more moderate/palatable ones to our Western-eyes.
I am sure that radical Muslim's can take a look at the Old Testament and pick and choose their own passages that support their views of Christianity.
It appears to me that any radical of any religious belief can point to any Holy Book to support their particular brand of radicalism. In my own view that is just a sign of a simple-mind, as they miss the grander scheme of things that their religion is really all about.

Yes, but only a particular group is responsible for the majority of conflict in the world today. (Indonesia, Somali, Bosnia, Pakistan/India, ALL of the middle east.) It appears only a particular group acts on these (and many other passages).

You've got various groups one one side in all of these conflicts, but in each of these various cases, one particular group is always a common factor on the other side.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:chamberc: My replies to your points are in blue below.

I don't think we're that far apart on this issue.

As I said, we're not prepared to do what is necessary.

Yes, the Saudi's provide oil, but they're also provide the most amount of money for terrorism of any nation.

The hard decisions are hard for a reason.

No one is suggesting killing all Muslims, but continued prosecution and focus on "domestic terrorists" and not focusing on the easily identifiable target wastes our limited resources.

A systematic approach to each of the problems is simply not in the cards because our "leaders" don't see beyond the next election. They're still in the mindset of fighting the last war, and are not reaching out and cutting off the heads one at a time.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:We can't nuke the entire Arabic world.SIA

Of course not, that absurd.

1) We are easily able to identify the enemy. The book of Koran commands followers to commit murder of non-followers:
("Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216), "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51), "When ye encounter the infidels,3 strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters. (Surah 47:3 )

2) We must secure the borders of the United States

3) We must actively enforce existing immigration laws, and deport, without possibility of return, those who violate them.

4) We must end support of, or stop ignoring terrorist supporting nation states such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, Egypt, et al., through active destabilization both overt and covert as well as financial measures, and ultimately military force when necessary.

These are just a few of the reasonable actions we should be taking.

joe817 wrote:Is anyone keeping count of the FBI apprehensions of suspected terrorists in the U.S. in the past 5 days? I count 4:

1. Dallas(Wells Fargo Bank)
2. New York/Colorado(who knows where)
3. Illinois (Courthouse)
4. Virgina (not sure of specifics)

It's getting scary. As Arnold says: "Be safe out there !"

The war on terror will not be short. The enemey is on the move right now, but they always are. Unsecured borders are a part of the problem, as are a myriad of other issues. The murders of 9/11 will not be the last innocent deaths in the war, we just have to keep our guard up, probably forever, because we're unwilling to take the necessary action to end the confrontation.

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rangefinderII wrote:KLST reported at 10 that he was in the country illegally.

Did he have a permit to carry a bomb?

If he did, all the bomb antis will hold it against those with legal bomb carry permits.

Biggest problem was the building wasn't posted with the official "80.M8" posting! Of course that allows for Muslim bombers due to religious freedom for non-Christians ya know!

rangefinderII wrote:KLST reported at 10 that he was in the country illegally.

You mean he's an "undocumented bomber"? We need to get that man some aid and free medical care right away.

I'm glad he, and the other guy arrested in Philly were in no way "related to official terrorist organizations"... yeah right... how dumb do they think we are?