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chabouk wrote:

DaveT wrote:

chabouk wrote:

DaveT wrote: One of the many calls I responded to that involved a subject with a gun was handled according to department procedure. I exited my patrol unit with service weapon in hand. After locating the subject, he refused instruction, choosing instead to raise his gun and fire a shot at me. I returned fire, he died.

Had this man informed the police in advance that he was going to conduct a public demonstration by carrying an unloaded shotgun on a sling?

Thank you for your service, and I'm sorry you were forced to take that shot, but the two situations are hardly analogous.

But then again, maybe you have more experience in this area than I do to back up your remarks?

But then again, do you really believe the two scenarios are analogous?
1. Man notifies the local PD in advance that he will be engaged in a legal demonstration with an unloaded shotgun slung over his shoulder.
2. Man is brandishing a gun in a threatening manner, and responds to your arrival by shooting at you.

Again: thank you for your service, and I'm sorry you went through that experience, but it's apples and oranges.

PeteCamp has just provided your "analogous" and has linked those pesky "apples and oranges" you refer to...... it's called Officer response and Officer safety. HOW the Officers will respond to a 'man with a gun' dispatch has a lot of potential for danger.

If you are assuming that every Officer on the street will be aware that this would be a pre-planned demonstration..... well, there is an old saying about the word 'assume'.

I guess it's all a moot point though, since the OP has not posted an update since his meeting with the attorney.

I've said all I can think of in this thread. I'll be moving on.

chabouk wrote:

DaveT wrote: One of the many calls I responded to that involved a subject with a gun was handled according to department procedure. I exited my patrol unit with service weapon in hand. After locating the subject, he refused instruction, choosing instead to raise his gun and fire a shot at me. I returned fire, he died.

Had this man informed the police in advance that he was going to conduct a public demonstration by carrying an unloaded shotgun on a sling?

Thank you for your service, and I'm sorry you were forced to take that shot, but the two situations are hardly analogous.

But then again, maybe you have more experience in this area than I do to back up your remarks?

chabouk wrote:

DaveT wrote:And have you missed all the information about what will happen if a citizen becomes alarmed and calls in a complaint?

Can't you just hear all the whispered calls to 911? "Ummm, hello? Police? There's a... a... Negro walking down my street! P-p-p-please hurry!"

Police get panicky calls all the time about perfectly legal behavior. Dispatchers do actually take time to figure out what's actually going on. They don't just hear "man with a gun" and slam some big red button on the console that immediately sends everyone on duty, Code 3.

NOWHERE in my post, that you only bothered to quote a very small portion of to support your position of ridicule, did I describe anything the way you have represented.

My point, had you read further, was the reaction of Police Officers arriving on the scene and how they are trained to respond to a 'man with a gun' call. As a former Police Officer, I am familiar with the training. As a former Police Chief, it was my responsibility to insure the Officers under my command followed that training for their safety.

Since I am retired and have been out of the business for a while, I ran this thread by my son, who is a current Police Officer. The times have not changed and the training is the same.... Officer safety is the first priority.

Dispatchers take the information and try to obtain ALL the information they can from the calling party. That information is passed on to the responding Officers, who will act according to their training AND department procedures to handle the call.

One of the many calls I responded to that involved a subject with a gun was handled according to department procedure. I exited my patrol unit with service weapon in hand. After locating the subject, he refused instruction, choosing instead to raise his gun and fire a shot at me. I returned fire, he died.

So yes, I do believe I know how Police Officers will respond to a 'man with a gun' call.

But then again, maybe you have more experience in this area than I do to back up your remarks?

chabouk wrote:

DaveT wrote:This thread actually might have a positive result.
It just might be an opportunity for several of us
to get together and meet one another.....

when the Austin District Attorney's office subpoena's
us to come and testify that we tried our best to talk
'ifanyonecan' out of his proposed course of action.

Did you miss the part where what he is proposing to do is not illegal?

And have you missed all the information about what will happen if a citizen becomes alarmed and calls in a complaint? The police will still respond, they will respond to a 'man with a gun' call in the manner they have been trained, he will still be disarmed, handcuffed and taken for a ride behind a prisoner cage. Despite the legal outcome, it will be more bad publicity for gun owners.

This thread actually might have a positive result.
It just might be an opportunity for several of us
to get together and meet one another.....

when the Austin District Attorney's office subpoena's
us to come and testify that we tried our best to talk
'ifanyonecan' out of his proposed course of action.

Being older and I hope wiser, sometimes goes hand in hand with being blunt.

As blunt as I can be here.... this is the worst idea I have read to date.

While intentions may be good, the end result is likely to be more bad press for legal gun owners.
If you want to feed your ego and get noticed for upcoming student elections, be known for meeting with the Police Department's community service division and starting a neighborhood watch program in the area you are talking about wanting to be safer.

If you don't think carrying a 12 gauge shotgun around, even slung over your back, in the capitol city of Texas is not going to be deemed "threatening" by some, you must be taking some really far out college courses that have warped your brain and your ability to use common sense.

Gun ownership carries responsibility. This is the most irresponsible idea I can imagine.

I sure hope the OP will post what day he plans to do this.... so I can stay as far away from Austin as possible so as not to be associated with this foolishness.