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Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:32 am

Russell wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:58 pm

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:52 pm Unfortunately, she works with schools, so having a gun in her car is not really an option a lot of the time.

What is preventing her from having a firearm in her vehicle in a school parking lot? Is she licensed?

She's convinced that she will get fired from her consulting position (contract not renewed) if a gun is found in her vehicle in the school parking lot.

She does not have her LTC.

Unfortunately, she is probably right. Even if she were legal in every aspect....IF that is something they just don't 'like', they will manufacture some reason not to renew her contract.

priusron wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:01 pm I was going to get gas. The traffic was backed up because of a train. I jumped out of line because the entrance was 3 cars ahead. A guy jumped out of line right in front of me so I stopped. We then entered the supermarket parking lot. I drove over to the pumps and got out. As I was getting the pump ready, the guy pulled crossways behind me and blocked me in. He then started screaming how if I wasn’t an old man he would get out and kick my butt. I am also disabled. I just told him to move along. After a couple minutes of cursing and threatening me he exited his vehicle. My XD 45 appeared in my hand at low ready. My wife was already on the phone with 911. He finally decided to drive odd. I got his license number. Police was there within 1 minute. They never asked for my LTC. They said they would try to locate him and take care of it. At least 3 other people told me good job.

That was indeed a good job. You did nothing wrong by getting out of line to go to the gas station. No reason for that guy to follow you and cause a scene. You did nothing to advance the altercation, you simply acknowledged his presence and suggested he 'move on'...that is about as innocuous a response as could be issued.

Then when HE pushed things and exited his vehicle....you were well within your rights to ready your weapon. There was a clear disparity of force (you being older and disabled) and his previous threat to 'kick your butt' warranted your action. Your wife also acted appropriately...in calling 911 as soon as possible.

So, yeah....I'd say good job all around.

narcissist wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:20 pm

flintknapper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:45 pm

narcissist wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:33 am

In NO way were you in a position of having to use your weapon. If this went on for a "Couple of Miles" your responsibility was to STOP, pull off, disengage (de-escalate) NOT let the situation continue. Get a good description of the vehicle(s) and report to police. There were two of you in your vehicle...one of you should been on your phone to 911....NOT planning on how you were going to 'Unload your magazine" on the guy.

YOUR actions were equally 'road rage'.

So honking the horn is road rage to stop someone from hitting you and it wasn't even the guy I honked at? Couldn't pull over or stop since we were in heavy traffic all around us or would of pulled over, only lane open was the turning lane that he was in. Pretty sure a vehicle is considered to be a deadly weapon? Yes my plan was to empty the magazine through his open window if deemed necessary at the point of impact. To protect my wife's life/my own.

Oh yeah our cell phone battery was dead so we had to stop at a Convinunce Store to borrow their Land Line. Batteries on cell phones back then didnt last to long this was in the famous Nokia Times.

I couldn't disagree anymore with you, my actions were not road rage sorry but honking at daddy doesn't count as road rage. If anyone had road rage it was the guy "trying" to intimidate someone that can not be intimidated.

No, I am not suggesting that 'honking' (on your part) was in any way 'road rage'. Either you misunderstood my comments or I presented them poorly. My point was you failed to initiate action(s) sufficient to de-escalate the situation. Instead...you were formulating a plan to 'empty your magazine' into the open window of the other vehicle.

I am all too familiar with 'city traffic' and while I was not present when your incident occurred I have never been in a situation (over a stretch of 2 miles) that I could not have come to a complete stop (if need be), managed a lane change, etc.

Now I understand there could be circumstances where this might not be immediately possible (to do safely). But unless the kid was willing to match/pace your speed exactly (to include a complete stop) then it sounds to me as if was nothing more than a ploy to intimidate you....and less an actual threat to your life or safety.

But...in the end, IF something had actually happened and IF you were to go to trial over your actions, please remember that your defense will hinge upon the reasonableness of your actions.

When you post on an internet site that you planned to 'unload your magazine' (and in another post that you carry 3 guns and 150 rds of ammo) and that you can NOT be 'intimidated', it comes across as bluster and bravado. No harm done here...but in court you'd be surprised how that might work against you.

So....perhaps more thought should be given to evasive vehicular maneuvers and de-escalation techniques than 'firepower'.

I pray that none of us ever face a REAL need to use deadly force, but some forethought to what it entails..both at the time and afterward would be a good thing.

narcissist wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:33 am Thought it would be cool if anyone wanted tell everyone your most extreme case of road rage. Since im sure we all have had some sort of incident in the past.

Mine was pulling out of Walmart years ago and a truck pulling a nice off road mudding truck with probably 54 inch Super Swampers on a trailer almost hit us so I honked to get his attention. Well apparently his son? in a Dodge Dually 5500 4x4 pulled up behind us honking going Cookoo!!

Then preceded to pull to the left of us, [ we are in a lil car by the way ] he was right next to us swerving toward us with his window down cursing trying to scare me or actruly slam the vehicle back and forth over and over.

This was in the middle of a city he was in the turning lane by the way he did this for a couple miles, at the time I carried a pistol in the car a Glock model 22. It got to the point of being not sure if our lives were in danger. I told my wife once he slams us grab the sterring wheel the best you can, im going to start UNLOADING the magazine just hang on It'll be ok. I was completely calm and thinking straight by the way.

Took the pistol out of the console to be prepared and as soon as he saw the gun by 'accident' [ guess since he was so high up ]. You see him slamming on the breaks and nothing but Smoke and skidding behind us. In no way shape or form did I intend for him to see the weapon, it had got to the point that our lives were in Danger! Almost had to use it, glad I didn't have to since he looked like maybe 19-20yo.

All because of a Honk at daddy, crazy people out there be prepared for the worst.

In NO way were you in a position of having to use your weapon. If this went on for a "Couple of Miles" your responsibility was to STOP, pull off, disengage (de-escalate) NOT let the situation continue. Get a good description of the vehicle(s) and report to police. There were two of you in your vehicle...one of you should been on your phone to 911....NOT planning on how you were going to 'Unload your magazine" on the guy.

YOUR actions were equally 'road rage'.