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by flintknapper
Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:03 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: TX rep to author OC
Replies: 156
Views: 31622

Re: TX rep to author OC

terryg wrote:
flintknapper wrote:terryg wrote:
If one group, by pushing for OC that will probably only benefit a small portion of the carrying public manages to, yet again, dis-rail progress on campus carry and parking lot language that will benefit a much larger portion of the carrying public, then the net effect is a negative one.
Do you know something the rest of don't? :???:

I am curious to know how any attempts to advance the idea of OC had any effect on campus carry or the parking lot issue? Are you suggesting that both bills failed (or were disrailed/derailed) because of the folks who want to see OC in Texas?
I am sorry - I was confusing the issues. It was the Voter ID bill that impacted the Campus Carry bill - not OC. Sorry again for spreading mis-information. :oops:
O.K. now I'm with you.

Honest mistake, no worry. :thumbs2:
by flintknapper
Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:20 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: TX rep to author OC
Replies: 156
Views: 31622

Re: TX rep to author OC

terryg wrote:
If one group, by pushing for OC that will probably only benefit a small portion of the carrying public manages to, yet again, dis-rail progress on campus carry and parking lot language that will benefit a much larger portion of the carrying public, then the net effect is a negative one.
Do you know something the rest of don't? :???:

I am curious to know how any attempts to advance the idea of OC had any effect on campus carry or the parking lot issue? Are you suggesting that both bills failed (or were disrailed/derailed) because of the folks who want to see OC in Texas?
by flintknapper
Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:11 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: TX rep to author OC
Replies: 156
Views: 31622

Re: TX rep to author OC

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
As for "carriers" having a negative impact on business, we can forget it. About 1.8 percent of the Texas population have a CHL, so 92.2 percent do not. We are far outnumbered and business owners/managers will protect their businesses by doing what the 92.2 percent of their customers want them to do.
Even in Austin (the San Francisco of Texas) 92.2 % of the population is not oppossed to self defense and carry of a weapon (no matter the mode). It also wasn't true for Concealed Carry which did eventually pass (with your help).

I feel this figure is incorrect.

Open-carry can pass in Texas, but not as it's being approached. Without proper ground work the risk remains too high.
Ground work is essential, no doubt. So where is it?

Some amount of support has come from grassroots factions, none from organizations like the NRA or TSRA.

We are basically talking about "educating" the public and rebutting the claims of a liberal media which has the upper hand at getting out their message.

That is the core reason we (Gun owners, NRA/TSRA and others) have been largely ineffective the last 6 years in advancing the rights of gun owners in Texas.

50-65,000 signatures on a petition...in Austin means nothing really. Such paltry numbers are scoffed at in political circles. But if the NRA and TSRA would get behind the idea of OC...those numbers might be tenfold.

Instead they seem to be "waiting" for the grassroots level (or membership) to tell them to move ahead with a progressive gun rights agenda.

I'm glad my financial planner isn't in that same group. ;-)

Charles you know how much I appreciate all that you do for gunowners and CHL's.

I recogize also...there is a "political" aspect and process to get bills moved through. (a "time" for everything).

But if "groundwork" is not already being laid out....then I want to know why. That is what my contributions to the NRA and TSRA are for (in part).

If educating the public (and elected officials) is the problem....then lets get started. If we have already "started" then lets double up....because its not working very well.

Just my .02

Thank you for your hard work and support.

Flint.
by flintknapper
Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:31 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: TX rep to author OC
Replies: 156
Views: 31622

Re: TX rep to author OC

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Again, what happens in Alaska and Arizona is irrelevant because they have always had open carry. So there was no legal, legislative, or social inertia to overcome. They never had to reverse existing laws to gain OC.
I disagree. Alaska, Arizona and the many other States that allow OC can reasonably be pointed to as examples of what to expect from public "acceptance" of Open Carry. It's not always about "what you grew up with".

Texas at one time (though a short period) did have OC. That "right" was lost back in the 1870's if memory serves correctly. The PROPER way to think of efforts to see OC become law again is:

We are not seeking to introduce a NEW right, but to RESTORE and old one.

In that respect...it would be helpful to have the support of the NRA and the TSRA, both of whom remain timidly neutral on the subject.

I agree that Campus Carry and a Parking Lot Exception would be victories, but unlike you, I do think those would be huge victories.

Those would certainly be long overdue victories, since this will be the FOURTH attempt on at least one of those issues.

I won't hold my breath, but continue to hold out hope.
Why? Because if we can get those passed in 2011, then in 2013 or 2015, when the public has had time to realize that there was no explosion in violent gun-related bloodbaths, then passing OC becomes much more easy.
I don't follow the logic here. If Campus Carry becomes law....then a small (very small) percentage of the public will be allowed to carry ONE more place than before. How would this significantly increase the chance of having a "bloodbath" committed by a CHL?

If the Parking Lot Bill became Law, it only results in the weapon being in a locked vehicle. Again......no effect.

And neither of these cases has anything to do with OC (IMO), since we are only talking about a "mode of carry". Whether I carry my weapon concealed or openly...doesn't make me anymore a "threat" to the public (of which I am none).

Yes....there will be the occassional "Soccer Mom" type that will grab up her children and run screaming to her car, but it will subside.

Honestly, all this worry about OC and how the public (and businesses) will react is nonsense. Less than 2% of the population even have a CHL, of those....fewer carry (everyday,everywhere), even fewer would elect to OC.

I submit that if Texas ever has OC....it would remain a relatively rare thing to see (after some initial application). It just doesn't make sense that the public (most whom would never notice)....are going to get the "Willies" over seeing someone OCing.

That's why I can't stand bomb-throwers. They will derail the whole process and we lose everything by their continuing to insist on making enemies in the legislative community, and they ultimately kill the the very goal they claim to support. There is much MUCH lack of wisdom in that approach.
Here we agree. Much harm can be done if things are not done "properly" and with a level of respect.

Then again, sometimes the "legislature" need a fire lit under their butts to get things done.

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