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Grayling813 wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 5:43 pm …

I am less concerned about Trump’s character than the political persecution that has been waged upon him the last 7 years.

What the communists are doing to Trump they will do to you and I if they are allowed to get away with it. Except for you and I they’ll probably just throw us in jail or in a mass grave.

philip964 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:32 pm

carlson1 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 4:50 pm I take hydroxychloroquine for my lupus and have for several years.

This guy thinks it will kill you.

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-host-wa ... 13859.html

E10 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:43 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:31 pmI felt Romney was the better Democrat in the 2012 election. I still feel I was right and his vote today confirms it.

Mitt needs to stop lying to the people of Utah (and himself) and just go ahead and switch over to the Democrat Party. 'Bout 15 years too late.

philip964 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:13 pm https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-hopes-pho ... 03325.html

Global outrage as photo of father and daughter drown crossing the Rio Grand.

philip964 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:57 pm https://news.yahoo.com/trump-approved-p ... 49608.html

Trump authorized 2 million dollar payment to North Korea before Warmbier was released in a coma.

Trump has denied any payment was made.

I really hope Trump is correct.

Pawpaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:20 am

dcpendarvis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:41 pm

srothstein wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:52 pm

carlson1 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:31 pm Concerning Trump’s taxes and the family taxes is there a law where they have to turn over their taxes or was it just a precedence?

If that is the case how in the world can you subpoena to see anyone’s taxes?

It has recently been customary for candidates to make their returns public, though I have no idea why or what the benefit is. There is no law requiring it of any candidate.

There is a law making all tax returns to IRS confidential. Looking at IRS records, including returns, without authorization is a crime. The flaw is that the law was written by congress and they left a loophole in the law. It allows the committee to subpoena any tax records necessary so they can check if the IRS is performing its functions properly. It is part of the oversight function of congress. The committee making the request is claiming this law allows it.

As I understand it, the IRS has refused to comply because their interpretation of the law is slightly more restrictive. They believe there has to be some question of misbehavior on the IRS' part, not on the part of the taxpayer.

The relevant law (IRC 6103) has a number of provisions that allow various parties access to tax returns of others under certain circumstances. Section (f) provides that the Secretary of the Treasury shall provide tax returns to Congressional committees upon a request from the Chair of the committee. Interestingly the law is different for the House Ways and Means Committee (and Senate Finance Committee) than other Committees. Without going into boring detail, those Committees could make the requested returns part of the public record, whereas any other Committees cannot legally do so (assuming Trump does not consent to them being made public). That is why the charge is being led by Neal (Chairman of Ways and Means).

Because the law states that the Secretary "shall" provide the returns upon the request, there really isn't much room for discretion/interpretation. Treasury has not taken an official position, but has responded that they are considering the request. The position that they might take is that the Ways and Means Committee has no official business affected by the returns, and thus the request is not valid. That strikes me as an uphill battle - it would be fairly easy to come up with some form of business to make a colorable claim (Neal has already stated the request is for oversight of the presidential audit program run by the IRS).

Ultimately, if Treasury chooses to fight the request, my view is that they lose in the courts. The law is pretty clear that there is authority to request the returns. However, the game might be to drag it out - it probably would not be too challenging to extend the fight out past the 2020 election.

The other side of this is that I don't know why either side particularly cares. Tax returns, even those as complex as Trump's are likely to be, generally do not contain a whole lot of interesting information that would be useful to the public. Even if the Democrats are able to obtain the returns, they probably shouldn't count on any smoking guns.

Flightmare wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:03 am

Amusing

Pawpaw wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:29 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:53 am https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wi ... -s-n971066

Barr takes over as Attorney General. My questions will he investigate treason in the attempted coup of Trump? Will he investigate the corruption of the Clintons? Will he investigate the Russian collusion of the Clintons?

Oldgringo wrote: ↑Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:10 am For their self-serving, hypocritical performance at Tuesday night's SOTU:

HERES TO SO CALLED WOMEN in WHITE

Women in white, you sit there so smugly
Your smirks and your snarls making faces look ugly.
So full of hatred, so angry and cold,
Some young and stupid, some bitter and old.
You don't want to build, just break and destroy.
Dismantling our nation is bringing you joy.
You can't represent us the way that you are.
Your hate and destruction can only take you so far.
You can't hate half of our people and thrive
Yet you don't even want our husbands alive.
You want to kill babies while loving on thugs.
You don't care about sex traffic, violence or drugs.
But those aren't the only problems I see.
Your rudeness and crudeness don't represent me.
When you act disrespectfully in that hallowed place
You show you lack beauty, wisdom, and grace.
A few cohorts might find your eye-rolling cool
But most if we think you are immature fools.
Your leader is a drunken, cud-chewing cow
Whose dentures have slipped one hundred times in an hour?
The new face of your movement has no brain in her head.
People had to explain to her what the President said.
True feminists don't kill women unborn.
Or look at their conservative sisters with scorn.
You hate everyone not as miserable as you. Dragging us down to your level is what you want to do.
I have a warning for you, hateful women in white.
You better watch out for the gals from the right.
We don't wear stupid hats and go marching around
So you won't see us coming, but we will take you down.

Teresa Bradley

Flightmare wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:31 pm

Trump cancels Congressional Delegation to Brussels, Egypt, and Afghanistan. Trump advises Pelosi that it would be better for her to stay in Washington and work towards ending the shutdown.