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apostate wrote:Taking guns away from Mark Anthony Conditt would have accomplished what exactly?

Taking guns away from Shawn Grate would have accomplished what exactly?

Taking guns away from Timothy McVeigh would have accomplished what exactly?

Taking guns away from Ted Bundy would have accomplished what exactly? (Actually, didn't he have a felony record before committing most of the murders?)

The list goes on and on.

Taking guns away from the Parkland shooter might have been useful. The travesty was that the police and the FBI and everybody in between knew it. Gabby Giffords’ attacker was the same. That list goes on a bit, too.

Odinvalknir wrote:It's the abuse I'm talking about. Yes for sure there are people who absolutely shouldn't have access to firearms. Unfortunately unless those people are deemed mentally defective or otherwise charged with a crime that removes that right, this law is in direct opposition of the 2A. If enough legislators voted for this law, I can almost bet there are plenty of left leaning judges who will happily stomp on the constitution and take away the rights of someone who isn't a danger to anyone.

If this law works the way it reads, the petitioner has to prove that cranky ol’ Me is a danger to myself or others. Ok, if my lawyer goes to bat for me, and the petitioners say their piece, and the judge decides... how is the process necessarily in opposition to the 2nd Amendment (or the 14th)? I would want my gun rights lobbiests to make sure that the process is fair. But I think we should have a process. If I had a suicidal or scary crazy relative, I would want a process. If I was the neighbor of said person, I would want a process.

Odinvalknir wrote:Who is to say, who is a threat or not? If any police officer or from the way this bill is written anybody at all can petition the court to have your guns taken away because they feel that you are a threat somehow. Now I can understand how this could be helpful but at the same time it seems like a gross over-reach and smack in the face of second amendment rights.

Well, I guess a court of law is to say, assuming due process. Is there room for abuse or misuse? Probably yes, same as there is in, say, CPS reporting. But we still need a process for CPS reporting.