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- Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:48 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
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Re: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
I have more encouraging signs in the form of some draft rules by two institutions of higher learning within the Texas A&M University System (AgriLife Research and AgriLife Extension). These agencies are separate from Texas A&M University (i.e., they have separate state budgets and separate CEOs). Anyway, the draft rules for these agencies look good -- unfettered licensed concealed carry on agency property (buildings and vehicles -- no restrictions on laboratories, etc). Since I drive to and visit these facilities, these rules are a specific benefit to me. But I hope they are indications of the how administration throughout the System is viewing implementation of SB11.
- Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:04 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
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Re: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
A&M has laid out a straightforward process, pretty much like other schools. What I find encouraging is the statements by A&M admin. which appear to acknowledge the intent of the law. I also was encouraged by President Young's comment that he experienced this process at the Univ. of Utah without any subsequent problems.b322da wrote:No comments? Is that, I suppose, because usually the only comments on this forum are negative in nature, and perhaps the readers may have concluded that A&M may be approaching this issue in the right way?b322da wrote:A thoughtful approach, or ??
http://www.theeagle.com/news/local/task ... bf574.html
http://www.tamu.edu/statements/campus-carry.html.
Jim
Being a College Station resident I am really interested in our readers' views, so far as this has gone. So, as stated above, I will luxuriate in observing that there have been no slings and arrows thrown at A&M because of its approach.![]()
Jim
- Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:16 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
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Re: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
I definitely agree with that. Boards are different, individual regents are different. Their views on campus carry will likely be different. Hence we will likely see some variation in the campus carry plans that result.mojo84 wrote:No, he was not doing Perry's bidding.J.R.@A&M wrote:Hall was presumably doing Perry's bidding, right? That was my point. Hall might have been sacrificed, but the Regents ultimately won, didn't they? The UT president ultimately was forced to resign.mojo84 wrote:I have a completely different impression. Check out UT Regent Wallace Hall and how things are going there.J.R.@A&M wrote:My impression of the Board of Regents is that they more represent the State's interests (and particularly the views of the governor who appointed them). The Board is like the political/business/citizen counterweight to the ivory tower academic bias that exists on campus. Even if that is accurate, I am not at all sure how individual Board members feel about campus carry. I'm sure that it varies.mojo84 wrote:For the most part and as far as I can tell, most boards of regents are yes men and pretty much ratify whatever the chancellor and president propose. If they step out of line, they get the Wallace Hall treatment. Wallace was on to uncovering some serious scandal and wrongdoing.
I think your idea is what they should be there for but I don't think that's the case in practicality.
The board of regents is supposed to be the governing body for the system. Just as in the private sector, you can have strong boards or weak/friendly ones. Weak ones usually go along with the president or chancellor on almost everything they want to do.
- Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:01 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
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Re: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
Hall was presumably doing Perry's bidding, right? That was my point. Hall might have been sacrificed, but the Regents ultimately won, didn't they? The UT president ultimately was forced to resign.mojo84 wrote:I have a completely different impression. Check out UT Regent Wallace Hall and how things are going there.J.R.@A&M wrote:My impression of the Board of Regents is that they more represent the State's interests (and particularly the views of the governor who appointed them). The Board is like the political/business/citizen counterweight to the ivory tower academic bias that exists on campus. Even if that is accurate, I am not at all sure how individual Board members feel about campus carry. I'm sure that it varies.mojo84 wrote:For the most part and as far as I can tell, most boards of regents are yes men and pretty much ratify whatever the chancellor and president propose. If they step out of line, they get the Wallace Hall treatment. Wallace was on to uncovering some serious scandal and wrongdoing.
I think your idea is what they should be there for but I don't think that's the case in practicality.
- Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:13 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
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Re: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
I can understand university administrators not allowing campus carry pre-SB11. They're risk averse bureaucrats who don't want to stir up trouble -- why would they invite a firestorm? But now it is a little different with the passage of SB11. And so it reduces to the trade-off that cb100rider highlighted. The risk averse bureaucrat is now probably more inclined to say, "Well, the legislature is making me do this..." At least, I hope that is the case.TexasCajun wrote:At the risk of being repetitive, I'll say what I've said in other threads regarding this topic. Public universities have had the option to allow in-building campus carry from the start. Not a single one has done so and will not do so until the new law goes into effect. The language of the bill gives the presidents and boards of regents some latitude - which they'll use to create a general carry prohibition with a few exceptions instead of vice versa as the law's author and sponsors intended. Although the bill's legislative supporters are publicly being optimistic, I have a feeling that they're preparing for round 2. This ain't over by a long shot, and I hope our legislature has the resolve to fix these issues once they have the data to back it up.
- Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:05 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
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Re: Pushing the envelope on Campus Carry?
My impression of the Board of Regents is that they more represent the State's interests (and particularly the views of the governor who appointed them). The Board is like the political/business/citizen counterweight to the ivory tower academic bias that exists on campus. Even if that is accurate, I am not at all sure how individual Board members feel about campus carry. I'm sure that it varies.mojo84 wrote:For the most part and as far as I can tell, most boards of regents are yes men and pretty much ratify whatever the chancellor and president propose. If they step out of line, they get the Wallace Hall treatment. Wallace was on to uncovering some serious scandal and wrongdoing.