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Tote 9 wrote:Now I don't know all that much about all guns, but 4 failures out of 33? Is this acceptable?
I couldn't feel comfortable carrying a gun that failed 1 time in 33. I duno just wondering.

longtooth wrote:You are wondering right.
Unacceptable for my carry.

Hence, my statement

The new gun still has one problem that keeps me from carrying it.

gamboolman wrote: Ms. Dottie and the customer service at Kahr is absolutely fantastic.

I loved the size and the way the PM-9 shot, but the brand new one I had was totally unreliable and after the factory took it to service it for these known chronic issues, and it was still unreliable I was done with it. Like I said I have nothing but sincere appreciation for Ms. Dottie and Kahr doing the right thing and giving me a full refund. They did the right thing by me and I have always said that.

I agree with everything you said completely, except for being done with it.

I buy Kahr because they are innovative, well made firearms. I know before I lay my money down that i will have problems with some. But I also know that Kahr will eventually solve all the problems and I will have a reliable handgun.

I have other handguns, so it was not necessary to rely on either the PM9 or the P45. I must admit that Dottie didn't appreciate it when I said I was perfectly willing to stash the P45 in my safe for a couple of years until they learned how to work on them.

They did everything possible when they shipped me the new, upgraded P45, including firing 200 rounds at the factory before releasing it.

The only malfunction remaining is the last case jamming into the mag.

That occurred only four times in 200 rounds I fired. However, since it occurs only on the last round, that presented itself only about 33 times. Therefore, I really experienced 4 failures out of 33.

I've got two K-40's, and they are great.

I bought a PM-9 in 2002 and it never fed reliably. Kahr denied the problem for the first year, decided to try a different profile on the customer's barrel (sent barrel back to Kahr), and then the next year did a full recall on PM-9 barrels. Since then, I've had no problems.

On to the P45........

Had failure to eject and slide lock problems. Kahr sent me some parts to try. Greatly improved the situation but didn't cure it.

Kahr wanted the pistol back. Came back from them worse than before.

They offered to replace the pistol. Six weeks later, I had a new P45. They upgraded me to night sites and the new black diamond finish at n/c.

The new gun still has one problem that keeps me from carrying it.

The last round sometimes has the case rim jammed down into the top of the magazine. It's a real bear to clear. I ran 200 rounds thru the gun but was using fully loaded mags. Once I identified that the problem can only occur on the last round, I intended to return to the range for another session. I haven't done that.

It is my intention to fire 200 rounds only loading 1 round per mag. This should give me, and Kahr, an incident rate.

They are taking the problem seriously and seem interested in my results.

I personally think they need about two years to get a new model running right, especially the compact polymers.