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Jim Beaux wrote:

Beiruty wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:Many refer to the Koran as if it is one book-it's not. As is the bible, there are several translations, and as with Christianity there are several different denominations-each having differences that cause angry disagreement. One thing I see- is though there are Muslims across the globe -the violence predominately comes from one area.

The Muslims I personally know are peaceful and respectful. Logic leads me to believe that terrorism is the product of a violent society/culture, not the religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_s ... d_branches

Translations are not the reference book. There is only one version and it is written in Arabic. In Islam it is forbidden to have a literal translation. You can translated the explanation of the verses.

NB. My posts here are for clarification only. Not a discussion.

Beiruty, If you dont mind would you please elaborate on your above post?

I agree that the Dajjal is the anti-Christ & Isa ibn Maryam is Jesus. I also understand that Islam recognizes Jesus as not the son, but a messenger & prophet of God.

Wanting to learn more.

Topbuilder wrote:

Beiruty wrote:

Topbuilder wrote:

Beiruty wrote:

JALLEN wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Somehow, in all this anti-Muslim fervor, you've got to find room for the 1st Amendment protection of freedom of religion. I am an evangelical Christian who finds great fault in Islamic theology, but will lay down my life for the right of a Muslim to peacefully practice his religion here.....as do more than one Muslim members of THIS forum....who are also pledged to protect my 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion.

There's a very good reason why the 2nd Amendment comes right after the 1st; but don't lose sight of the fact that the 1st IS first.....also for very good reasons....

I just got Sebastian Gupta's book Sunday and have read ~60% or so. He points out that

Islam is not a “religion” in the sense this term is commonly understood. It is a system encompassing all fields of living. Islam means politics, economics, legislation, science, humanism, health, psychology and sociology.

It is a mistake to view Islam as merely a religion.

Judaism and Christianity have similar code of conduct, like killing one's son if he disobey his father, etc... Killing the homosexuals too.

And is that still happening today...

I am not say it is still happening or it should happen. Homosexuals are not be killed, anyways.

"At least 68 gay and transgendered men have been killed over the last four months, according to the London-based rights advocacy group Iraqi LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender), bringing the total number of killings of Iraqis because of their sexuality to 678 since 2004"
source - Wikiislam

Topbuilder wrote:

Beiruty wrote:

JALLEN wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Somehow, in all this anti-Muslim fervor, you've got to find room for the 1st Amendment protection of freedom of religion. I am an evangelical Christian who finds great fault in Islamic theology, but will lay down my life for the right of a Muslim to peacefully practice his religion here.....as do more than one Muslim members of THIS forum....who are also pledged to protect my 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion.

There's a very good reason why the 2nd Amendment comes right after the 1st; but don't lose sight of the fact that the 1st IS first.....also for very good reasons....

I just got Sebastian Gupta's book Sunday and have read ~60% or so. He points out that

Islam is not a “religion” in the sense this term is commonly understood. It is a system encompassing all fields of living. Islam means politics, economics, legislation, science, humanism, health, psychology and sociology.

It is a mistake to view Islam as merely a religion.

Judaism and Christianity have similar code of conduct, like killing one's son if he disobey his father, etc... Killing the homosexuals too.

And is that still happening today...

Jim Beaux wrote:Many refer to the Koran as if it is one book-it's not. As is the bible, there are several translations, and as with Christianity there are several different denominations-each having differences that cause angry disagreement. One thing I see- is though there are Muslims across the globe -the violence predominately comes from one area.

The Muslims I personally know are peaceful and respectful. Logic leads me to believe that terrorism is the product of a violent society/culture, not the religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_s ... d_branches

JALLEN wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Somehow, in all this anti-Muslim fervor, you've got to find room for the 1st Amendment protection of freedom of religion. I am an evangelical Christian who finds great fault in Islamic theology, but will lay down my life for the right of a Muslim to peacefully practice his religion here.....as do more than one Muslim members of THIS forum....who are also pledged to protect my 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion.

There's a very good reason why the 2nd Amendment comes right after the 1st; but don't lose sight of the fact that the 1st IS first.....also for very good reasons....

I just got Sebastian Gupta's book Sunday and have read ~60% or so. He points out that

Islam is not a “religion” in the sense this term is commonly understood. It is a system encompassing all fields of living. Islam means politics, economics, legislation, science, humanism, health, psychology and sociology.

It is a mistake to view Islam as merely a religion.

Topbuilder wrote:"Religion or theology may only be discussed in the context of threats or criminal acts committed in the name of a religion, and in thoughtful responses to those threats and acts."

That's our guidelines here.

The reason we can't seem to adhere is because of our current place in in history. "The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast." Rev 13:3. The whole world is non stop Islam.... all the time.

This is why it should not be a topic here:
The majority of commenters don't know enough about their own Book much less their adversaries.
The Koran promises the death or submission of all Christians and Jews.
The Bible is pretty detailed about how all the peoples surrounding Israel (called heathens) will be punished (killed) or worship Jehovah. Just so happens every country/people mentioned for destruction is moslem.
Allah of the Koran is not Jehovah, God, of the Bible.
The mahdi of Islam is the antichrist of the Bible. Jesus Christ of Revelation is the dajjal of the Koran.

We will never get along or agree on this subject. Let's just walk away...