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Keith B wrote:

koolaid wrote:

Keith B wrote: Looking at these numbers your statement earlier is disproven. While there was a drop in 2009 from 2008, the rate has steadily climbed since then, however the rate has declined in states with the Death Penalty

Huh? My earlier statement that the murder rate in non-death penalty states is lower, and has been for years, matches the numbers. I'm honestly confused as to what you feel is being disproven?

I see what you were saying that the rate was lower in those states vs. a death penalty state. I don't think the death penalty is that much of a deterrent, but I, like Charles, know those that are executed are not repeat offenders any more.

How about KSA? Why the murder rate is just below 1 per 100k?

It is nice to compare the murder rate between KSA and USA. Both have death penalty, however, the former execute in public by sword (even kids and teens can watch said execution), the later behind dark curtains where no one see the execution but a handful of "witnesses". Why compare, cause Antis would claim that the execution has no deterrence for murder. Patently false.

Here a quick link:
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KSA 0.85 per 100K (2007)
USA 5.22 per 100K (2008)

USA:KSA == 6.14:1.00 or 6X to that of KSA.

LB 0.56 per 100K

psijac wrote:I am anti death penalty here.

The State gets only the rights we grant it Or at least that's how it should work (Forget about the PATRIOT ACT for a second). If I don't have the right to kill a person outside of self defense, in cold blood, how can I grant that right to the government?
Also the Cost of appeals is greater than the cost of life in prison.

My perfect solution would be to Keep the death row inmate in a perpetual coma until he expires. His family and lawyer(s) can keep working to free him while he vegetates.

If someone killed one of my loved ones. Why he should not die? Just limit the appeals to once after a firm conviction supported by hard evidence not just single eye witness conviction. If I am suffering for my loss, those who loved the murder should suffer as well. Social Justice, I seek.