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jimlongley, you must be kidding me about the Monroe Doctrine. Politics is dirty, don't be naive. I am not sure how you justify the expansion of a country's power beyond its border. Self defense? Go ask all the other Americas whether or not their affairs should be USA's affairs? That's gross meddling with other's internal affairs, and you wonder why we are hated? A true Monroe Doctrine would be "mind our own business within our borders!"

bdickens, now the UN. do you REALLY know why UN is so dysfunctional and "unless?" Do you really know who really controls UN? Let me remind you, it's the United States of America. The UN is powerless because .... quick, find the answer! Right, just count how many times USA vetoed UN's motions, especially issues with Israel. There is no way that USA should get out of UN because: a) UN is USA's puppet anyway; b) whenever we want, we can use UN to justify our otherwise unjustified action, which makes others "believe" that we are righteous; c) whenever we don't like it, we can just forget about its existance.

Nothing gets better than that! Politics is dirty!

However, that's not the purpose when the FDR etc. created UN.

"The United Nations (UN) is an international organization whose stated aims are to facilitate cooperation in international law, international security, economic development, social progress, human rights, and achieving world peace."

Read it and understand it. It's not a higher authority but an organization that we work out our international issues without resorting to our firearms. Now, back to the original issue, as the largest member and the founding member of the UN, we don't even respect the rules WE set out, how can we expect others to do so?

OK, if you say, next time when other countries violate the international laws etc, the United State would just shut up, I settle my argument right here and now.

Back to my point, is this the society we want our children to live in, where the largest member and the founding member of the UN doesn't even respect the rules it's set out? if that's what you want to teach your children... speechless.

You are telling me that treaty signed by US (Federal) has no effect on Texas. How interesting. What's the point of signing any thing with USA who will not honor it anyway?

I thought we were more civil and more developed. Not only have we been practically slapping everybody around the world and ordering them to do whatever we want, but also we want to drag ourselves "down" to the level of "developing" countries - oh since they tell the world court to take a hike, we will just do the same thing or worse.

Come on. Is this how a society should be built? Is this not double standard?

The Monroe Doctrine was merely to tell the European to take a hike so that USA could colonize every country in America (North and South). Again, very "civilized."

jimlongley wrote:
As pointed out above, the ICJ does not have jurisdiction directly over Texas, they only have a treaty with the US, and all the US can do is what it did, attempt to influence Texas. The state did not violate any legal procedure, that would only occur if the treaty signatory did not allow consular access, and the US never tried to inject itself into the process until recently.

The thinly veiled threats issuing from the State Department, the UN, and various other entities, that US citizens arrested abroad will suffer repraisals in response denies the fact that US citizens have already been suffering such indignities for decades, and is nothing more than an attempt at extortion.

This is indeed about something more than simply putting a confessed and unrepentant rapist and murderer to death, it's also about whether the world gets to say how we conduct our business in our state. Imagine if France, Guatemala, or even Mexico were approached by the World Court due to urging from the US on a similar issue - they would laughingly suggest that the World Court peddle their goods elsewhere, and that would be no change from what has always transpired.

If we let them get away with this stuff, the next thing they will want is for us to outlaw guns . . . Oops, forgot, they already are insisting on that.

Maybe it's time to consider reimplementing the Monroe Doctrine.

Many of you didn't consider this whole thing is more than about killing a murderer. Yes, he's convicted and sentenced to die; we are not arguing on this issue, and it's not about that.

Remember there's often a case that police find a whole bunch of drug, but unfortunately it's an illegal search and the fact of finding the dough is not admissible to the court, hence the drug dealer walks?

On one hand, when the state violates the person's right - by not following the proper legal procedure, is it still OK to proceed?
On the other hand, is it OK that other countries return such favor when a American is put into such a situation in a foreign country? Even after the ICJ rules that they must concur with the international law?