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Charles L. Cotton wrote:I should have the comparisons available Monday or Tuesday. CHLs are still doing great.

Chas.

Looking forward to it.
Thanks again,
JL

seamusTX wrote:

jlangton wrote:For 2006 there were 258,162 CHL's and 587 were convicted of some kind of criminal activity...

I don't see where you're getting these numbers.

The 2002 report is here: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administra ... rt2002.pdf

The total number of convictions is 74, not 301.

The 2006 report is here: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administra ... rt2006.pdf

The total number of convictions of CHL holders is 140, not 587.

These numbers are mainly weapons-related and assault. They do not include convictions for offenses like theft and DUI.

Another thing to look at is licenses revoked. A license should be automatically revoked if the license holder is convicted of a class B misdemeanor or worse. Here's the report for 2006: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administra ... evoked.pdf

In 2006, 332 licenses were revoked. That number sets an upper limit on the number of CHLs convicted. Some may be revoked for causes other than conviction, such as mental illness, giving false information on their application, or being in default on child support.

- Jim

Now,I'm trying to find it again-I know I copied it directly off of the pdf file last night-now I need to double check what pdf I was in looking at.
The more i look at the statistics on the website the more I'm confused now...
JL

Charles L. Cotton wrote:You cannot make a meaningful comparison of CHLs to the entire Texas population. You must first get an estimate of the general population age 18 (or 17) and over. Since Texas has a lot of people under age 18/17, that skews the percentages dramatically, lowering the percentage of crimes for the general population. Remember, unless they are certified as an adult, juvenile "crime" are not part of the overall crime statistics.

For a number of years, a comparison of the the stats for CHLs and the general population were maintained by an individual that posted on tx.guns a great deal. I verified his calculations and source data. I don't believe this information has been kept for several years now. At that time, the general population was 300% more likely to commit one of the index crimes than CHL holders. I don't believe that has changed.

When I get time, I'll try to create another Excel spreadsheet comparing CHLs and the general population.

Chas.

Thanks Charles-I'm interested in this info-it's very good "ammo" to use against the ignorant arguments of those that are on the fence as to their feelings about concealed carry or even gun ownership.
JL

The entire point of my post,and the source of my interest was that this simple proves the "blood will run like rivers in the streets" attitudes that the gun-grabbing liberals have about handgun licenses is wrong and lacks credibility.
JL

Russell wrote:You should present those statistics with the total number of crimes committed by non-license holders.

2002=55,094 total convictions
2003=59,770 total convictions
2004=63,715 total convictions
2005=60,873 total convictions
2006=61,539 total convictions

WildBill wrote:I plotted this data in Excel and it shows a trend towards an increase in crimes.

Thing is...it's much less than 1% of the total number of licensees,and nothing like the media and liberal gun-hating public would have us believe..."blood will run like rivers" comments...
There were very few deaths related to those convictions,and a minimal number of deadly weapons charges-most of the convictions for CHL holders were "nuisance to society" type crimes.

I fund a statistical list of all convictions in the state for the years of 2002-2006,and in those reports was a breakdown of the numbers of CHL holders that were convicted of crime.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administra ... vrates.htm
Just a quick breakdown....
For 2002 there were 224,172 CHL's and 301 were convicted of some kind of criminal activity / .1343% of the total number of license holders.
For 2003 there were 239,863 CHL's and 284 were convicted of some kind of criminal activity / .1188% of the total number of license holders.
For 2004 there were 239,940 CHL's and 372 were convicted of some kind of criminal activity / .1554% of the total number of license holders.
For 2005 there were 248,874 CHL's and 625 were convicted of some kind of criminal activity / .2513% of the total number of license holders.
For 2006 there were 258,162 CHL's and 587 were convicted of some kind of criminal activity / .2275% of the total number of license holders.

There's a good bit of information in those statistical sheets as to the types of convictions,and the numbers of CHl holders that were convicted.
Just something I found interesting...
JL