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The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:51 am

mrvmax wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:50 pm

carlson1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”

If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.

Agreed, i can understand the reluctance to sell or buy from a stranger but it’s so ironic that people who do not want 2A rights restricted by our government often restrict 2A rights beyond what the law requires when selling to individuals.

What is even more sad is that we live in a prosecutorial environment where buyers/sellers even feel the need to protect themselves that way.

My point really is that the need to protect oneself when buying and selling firearms to individuals is based on false information and I’m not sure where that comes from. Is it paranoia? Internet wives tales? I think people have an irrational fear of being held criminally liable for buying or selling a firearm used in a crime since I just don’t seem to find cases of this happening as it’s perceived. I could be way out in left field and just uninformed about it but I don’t recall reading about this happening and I spend a good portion of my life perusing numerous gun forums so I assume I would eventually run across an article on this happening. Now I could see this happening in other less gun friendly states but I just don’t see it happening in Texas as I see it portrayed in theoretical scenarios (I.e. I sold my gun to a stranger, it was used in a crime after I sold it so now I’m going to jail). Maybe Charles or someone more knowledgeable will correct me if my view is just from being misinformed. I think I’ve about exhausted my view on this so I’ll shut up now and see if anyone has some insight I have not seen before.

SIGFan43 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:48 am Something to think about: A friend of mine in Arkansas sold or traded a handgun to a dealer at a gun show. A few years later, the BATF rang his doorbell and asked him if he ever owned that handgun. He told them he got a receipt when he sold it. After showing them the receipt, he asked, "is there a problem?" They told him the handgun was used in a murder in a northern state. They thanked him, and went on their way. I always get a bill of sale/receipt and ask for I.D. whenever I buy/sell a gun of any kind, because it might save my bacon someday.

Let’s suppose he had no receipt, what would have happened? Would they arrest him on the spot for that crime in the northern state? No, they would need something linking him to that crime and simply being a previous owner of the firearm would not necessarily link him to it. As an FFL I get those trace requests and I know people who had no proof of who they sold to. Guess what? Not one of the people from the four traces I think of off the top of my head have gotten into any trouble over it. Yes, I’m sure there are a very small percentage of times where it could help but I think that would be rare.

carlson1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”

If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.

Agreed, i can understand the reluctance to sell or buy from a stranger but it’s so ironic that people who do not want 2A rights restricted by our government often restrict 2A rights beyond what the law requires when selling to individuals.