Wow. And you have never seen that happen before in a Senate hearing on either side of the aisle?jimlongley wrote:All I see in that exchange is someone refusing to answer the question as asked, and again I have to wonder if she would allow such a thing to happen in her court.
I thiink we not only ave reason to be worried, I think we should all be writing to our Senators to object to her confirmation, based strictly on her refusal to answer direct questions openly and honestly, as I have done.
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- Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:54 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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Re: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
- Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:49 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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Re: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
At this point we are simply spouting opposing view-points at one another. I guess the proof will be in the pudding (whatever that means). After all, we both know that her nomination is going to be confirmed. We will then start seeing the finger-pointing.
- Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:58 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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I apologize to whomever I was addressing when I stated "that was a cheap shot". I think it was Pdubyoo, but can't find the post that I was referring to.
I discovered to my deep ire and regret that the magical three words that were missing were sourced from an unreliable source that was paraphrasing Judge Sotomayor and not quoting her as it should have been. So once again, I apologize for my statement.
When it comes down to it, I don't see anything alarming regarding this nomination. In fact I find her to be typical judge-fodder, i.e.; incomprehensible to a layman like myself. I am not convinced of her danger to our 2nd Amendment rights. I do however reserve the right to be paranoid simply about the fact that it was our Socialist President that nominated her, and I really, really hope you folks don't ever have to say, "I told you so".
I discovered to my deep ire and regret that the magical three words that were missing were sourced from an unreliable source that was paraphrasing Judge Sotomayor and not quoting her as it should have been. So once again, I apologize for my statement.
When it comes down to it, I don't see anything alarming regarding this nomination. In fact I find her to be typical judge-fodder, i.e.; incomprehensible to a layman like myself. I am not convinced of her danger to our 2nd Amendment rights. I do however reserve the right to be paranoid simply about the fact that it was our Socialist President that nominated her, and I really, really hope you folks don't ever have to say, "I told you so".
- Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:51 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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Re: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Feel free to question any Latina you like. I would seriously doubt that they take umbrage with Sotomayor's statement. I expect that I am as racist and sexist as anyone, anywhere. I simply don't let it overwhelm my attitude towards others.mr.72 wrote:Careful. You may be close to making a racist and sexist statement yourself. As it is, it is a generalization only about your in-laws, and not about all latinas. So I suppose you are suggesting this character flaw is only a family trait and not necessarily true for all latinas.Purplehood wrote:Sounds like every former female in-law that I ever had.
However if you are implying that racism and sexism is common to nearly all latinas and therefore should be tolerated since it is a trait that is inherent to their race or gender, then you are just as racist and sexist as Sotomayor.
The fact is that Sotomayor is not required or expected to make racist and sexist statements because she is a latina. She makes these statements as a result of her own opinions and choices and not because it is some kind of cultural imperative. It would be the same as saying that young black men are required or expected to become criminals or gang members because it is a cultural imperative, or that young Arab men are required or expected to become terrorists because it is a cultural imperative. Those would be racist statements as well. In all cases of gang bangers, Arab terrorists, or racist-sexist latinas, it is about individual choice and opinion and not excusable just because in some segment of their culture it is accepted. Just because many of the latinas you know are racist and sexist does not make it an expected or acceptable trait. I am quite certain I can come up with a long list latinas that I know who do not fit this mold, and in fact I have never met one who was a racist as far as I can tell. If the lady that cuts my hair has managed to resist this cultural influence to become racist, then certainly a Supreme Court nominee should be expected to do the same.
- Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:20 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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Re: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
That was a cheap shot. You left out three words at the end of her statement, and you complain when the "liberal" media does the same thing.In Congressional testimony, Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayer claimed she couldn't think of a self-defense case having come before the Supreme Court, adding, "I could be wrong, but I can't think of one."
If you leave those three words out, than all of the shrill articles and diatribes above apply. When you put the whole statement out there for everyone to see and analyze, you get a typical lawyer response but not the one it is being made out to be.
I will leave you all to draw your own conclusions on this limited data and find the actual words she spoke. It is apparent that some will go to the exact same lengths that they decry in liberals and leftists to garner the results that they want.
- Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:26 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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Sounds like every former female in-law that I ever had.
/shrug
I just can't get bothered over it. And I sure don't see it as any kind of disqualifier for SCOTUS.
/shrug
I just can't get bothered over it. And I sure don't see it as any kind of disqualifier for SCOTUS.
- Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:38 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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Alright, tell me this. Why is referring to herself as a "Wise Latina woman" racist? Pompous and egotistical, yeah. Racist? I didn't hear her quacking.Abraham wrote:Purplehood,
If her statement regarding the wisdom of latina vs. white people is typical and her typical statement isn't racist, perhaps I don't know a duck when I hear it quack...
If bubba spouts a "typical" redneck sentiment would he get a pass? Or would his statement be regarded as purely cultural with no bias. Heaven forfend. This person is simply misunderstood. Why anyone employing common sense regarding cultural declarations would surely know the difference. Why, dear old bubba, hasn't a racist bone in his lily white body. He just says stuff that sounds like racism, looks like racism, feels like it too, but hey, he's simply a product of his culture and wouldn't act out anything like he sounds.
(psssst, do you buy that?)
No?
Me neither.
- Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:33 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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My guess is that it will be the mostly white males that are shocked.
I would be willing to bet that many members of this forum that have Hispanic women for spouses and in-laws find her statement typical and not the horrible racist statement that some folks are trying to make of it.
As a male with an Anglo-surname and appearance, I have a knee-jerk reaction that screams "reverse-discrimination" to her "wise Latina" remark.
As a male with a grandmother from Mexico and two ex-wives of Latina origin, I know that it is typical of such women to stand up against what they consider the white-male-establishment and not take any guff from it. It does not mean that by default they are going to rule against that same sector of American society.
/off soapbox
I would be willing to bet that many members of this forum that have Hispanic women for spouses and in-laws find her statement typical and not the horrible racist statement that some folks are trying to make of it.
As a male with an Anglo-surname and appearance, I have a knee-jerk reaction that screams "reverse-discrimination" to her "wise Latina" remark.
As a male with a grandmother from Mexico and two ex-wives of Latina origin, I know that it is typical of such women to stand up against what they consider the white-male-establishment and not take any guff from it. It does not mean that by default they are going to rule against that same sector of American society.
/off soapbox
- Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:16 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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Re: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
If that were true, I wouldn't be on this board.LM230023 wrote:that is a link given to me and I shared such. With that said - once again I am out of here. This is a site for a chosen few and only those chosen whose opinions agree with members of the "click".preacher wrote:Carbolic Smoke is not a real news source. Please, let's keep it real. I don't think Sotomayor is worthy of being on the SCOTUS, but let's not put (dirty) words in her mouth that she didn't say. I really hope you were trying to be funny.LM230023 wrote:and -
http://carbolicsmoke.com/2009/06/02/oba ... f-context/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
sorry if there is language issue - but this is some of the comments that have been made by this person.
- Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:39 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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Re: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Touche. And whats wrong with a little bit of Latina-pride?
- Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:33 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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Re: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
This thread is getting quite humorous.
I have seen no evidence of the woman being stupid. I have seen little evidence that she leans to the far-left, and can only conclude that folks think that she does solely because she was nominated by the anointed one (who does lean so far left that he must be right again...).
I also noted a comment about her 60% record on rulings being overturned by the SCOTUS. If you will note, as she states she rules according to the law. In the cases where she has been overturned it has been almost exclusively due to new precedents being established by SCOTUS. Looking at her record, it almost makes me believe that she is actually a text-book definition of what one would consider conservative. But putting that term in the same breath as an Obama-nominee would be blasphemous.
I have seen no evidence of the woman being stupid. I have seen little evidence that she leans to the far-left, and can only conclude that folks think that she does solely because she was nominated by the anointed one (who does lean so far left that he must be right again...).
I also noted a comment about her 60% record on rulings being overturned by the SCOTUS. If you will note, as she states she rules according to the law. In the cases where she has been overturned it has been almost exclusively due to new precedents being established by SCOTUS. Looking at her record, it almost makes me believe that she is actually a text-book definition of what one would consider conservative. But putting that term in the same breath as an Obama-nominee would be blasphemous.
- Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:12 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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Re: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
But it is a reality in todays world, and it works both ways, not with just the liberal left.
- Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:38 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
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I am trying to figure out how you have determined that she is not intelligent. I understand you not liking her, but I have been listening to the hearings sporadically throughout the week and find her educated and articulate. She is also exceedingly skilled at avoiding giving an answer to a direct question.