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The problem here is that the officer set up a situation where he then felt in fear of his life by using really bad tactics and judgment and violating agency rules and training while doing it.

This is somewhat akin to starting a fight and then claiming self defense for shooting the other party.

I think the manslaughter conviction was a very fair verdict.

Charles L. Cotton wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:30 am

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:16 am I read elsewhere that police initially stood in front of the open door to the house, the article didn't say at what distance. Why did they not simply announce themselves? "This is the Fort Worth Police, your door is open, is everything okay in there?" I mean, this wasn't a "no-knock raid" against a known drug house or something of that nature, even if the neighborhood in question isn't Club. If they were expecting trouble, why would they have stood in front of the open doorway, assuming they did indeed do exactly that? That just doesn't make sense, from a "tactical" perspective.

I haven't seen anything about the officer standing in the doorway, but if so, then you are exactly right.

Chas.

There's also a little thing called a doorbell that could have sorted the situation out right quick. If that doesn't work, there's also the old fashioned cop technique called "knocking" on the door.

From where I sit this looks suspicously like the fruits of an us against them (LEO vs. citizens) attitude, training to see every situation as lethally dangerous without the balance of training that some downright suspicious circumstances turn out to be completely innocent, and a "can I shoot him / her" instead of an "is there any other reasonable way to solve this problem" go / no go criteria for pulling the trigger.

Unless this officer was a total rogue outlier, the PD has a serious philosophy and training problem that needs intensive work to solve to prevent repeats of tragedies like this one.

Chaparral wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:45 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:13 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... SIGNS.html

Full blown murder.

That seems over charging. But mayoral elections are soon.

How many shots did he fire, if one, he could have had his finger on the trigger and she startled him.

He wasn’t too startled to be shouting commands as he fired. Are cops trained to perform a non-emergency welfare check with their finger on the trigger? Amber Guyger at least had a plausible story of mistaken fact, if not real fear for her life. The Mayor said the gun found in the house was “irrelevant”, so, apparently not in the victim’s hands at the time. Seems to me a clearer case of murder than that of Amber Guyger.

In light of the publicly available information at this time, I think murder is the appropriate charge. I had just said that to my wife moments before the arrest came out in the news.