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DevilDawg wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:

Excaliber wrote:

DevilDawg wrote:Stupid Dan Wesson pistols.

LOL. I just have to make due with my Ruger full size 1911 until I get mine I guess. While I am sorry your Ruger was bad, twice, my full size has had no issues. It will be replaced as an EDC by a Guardian or V-Bob. Soon I hope.

All the Ruger issues I've heard about have been with the lightweight model. The all steel guns seem to run just fine.

There is no comparison between any of the Rugers and the Dan Wessons, as you would expect in view of the huge price difference between them.

You're in for a treat if you go for any of the models you listed.

A couple of weeks ago, DevilDawg was busy picking my brain in PM about the Guardian & V-Bob. I think he's decided he wants them both.

I am having much trouble saying no to a slightly used Guardian right now, and at $1200 it isn't easy. I am leaning more towards the Guardian due to the reduced weight making it far easier to EDC. Being cheaper is also nice.

DevilDawg wrote:Stupid Dan Wesson pistols.

LOL. I just have to make due with my Ruger full size 1911 until I get mine I guess. While I am sorry your Ruger was bad, twice, my full size has had no issues. It will be replaced as an EDC by a Guardian or V-Bob. Soon I hope.

Pawpaw wrote:

Excaliber wrote:

FastCarry wrote:Did you get a chance to trade it for something?

Yes.

I'm waiting for my Dan Wesson Valkyrie Commander to be shipped. It should come in a couple of weeks.

That is sweet, for sure!

Now we're going to have to get together sometime just to compare it with my Guardian.

I can tell you from personal experience that if you do have a problem, they WILL make it right.

FastCarry wrote:Did you get a chance to trade it for something?

Sidro wrote:Excaliber , have you looked at Fusion Firearms? Bob Serva worked for DW, bought it in the 90's sold it 2005 and started Fusion. My edc is a Fusion bobtail cmdr in 357sig and I really love it. The only reason I don't have one of his .45 pistols is too many in safe already.

rentz wrote:

Excaliber wrote:

AndyC wrote:Sounds like a classic 3-point jam - now I'm wondering if it's riding the link instead of the lower lugs, which might explain why it will only work reliably with some magazines with a different profile.

Basically the slide-stop cross-pin is meant to bear upward against the lower lugs in the locked position and stay in contact all the way through the unlocking cycle to end up bearing against the front of the lower lugs. If it doesn't, and is instead 'riding on the link', there are a few cheap options to try:

1. Shorter barrel link, about 3-thou' shorter
2. Alternatively, elongate the hole in the link slightly (in its upper side closest to the lower lugs) with a file - delicate work. Does the same thing as option 1 but with looser tolerances.

Andy, thanks very much for the suggestion - you may very well be right. That's one thing I hadn't thought of, but I'm out of patience with this thing.

I'm going to trade it tomorrow for something else.

I'm considering a Springfield Range Officer Champion, and I'm really liking a Dan Wesson Valkyrie Commander for everything except the price. With everything I spent trying to get the Ruger to work, I would have been well on the way to that Dan Wesson by now.

Dw is on my lust list at the moment, but I'd be scared to carry something that pricey myself .....afraid I'd drop it or scratch it
But the bobbed Wessons are so nice

WildBill wrote:

Excaliber wrote:

AndyC wrote:Sounds like a classic 3-point jam - now I'm wondering if it's riding the link instead of the lower lugs, which might explain why it will only work reliably with some magazines with a different profile.

Basically the slide-stop cross-pin is meant to bear upward against the lower lugs in the locked position and stay in contact all the way through the unlocking cycle to end up bearing against the front of the lower lugs. If it doesn't, and is instead 'riding on the link', there are a few cheap options to try:

1. Shorter barrel link, about 3-thou' shorter
2. Alternatively, elongate the hole in the link slightly (in its upper side closest to the lower lugs) with a file - delicate work. Does the same thing as option 1 but with looser tolerances.

Andy, thanks very much for the suggestion - you may very well be right. That's one thing I hadn't thought of, but I'm out of patience with this thing.

I'm going to trade it tomorrow for something else.

I'm considering a Springfield Range Officer Champion, and I'm really liking a Dan Wesson Valkyrie Commander for everything except the price. With everything I spent trying to get the Ruger to work, I would have been well on the way to that Dan Wesson by now.

Some how money always seems to enter into the equation.

FastCarry wrote:Thats a bummer to hear, wish you (and I) had good copies. I wonder what it is about this model that Ruger wont take another look at? It Cleary has some issues out of the box that aren't isolated.

I used mine in the PPM at DPC yesterday after 150 flawless range rounds. I had two failures within about 65 Perfecta/Federal round nose. I was running the gun faster than I do at the range with a mix of new Sig Sauer 8 rnd mags and 1 Mecgar 8 rnd mag so I didn't get to stop to analyze the failures.

I polished a couple more rough edges on the barrel throat and will try again when my ammo order arrives. Im not giving up on this one yet but, I sure wish it was problem free. I'm over 500 rounds on it now, it should be running better than it is.

AndyC wrote:Sounds like a classic 3-point jam - now I'm wondering if it's riding the link instead of the lower lugs, which might explain why it will only work reliably with some magazines with a different profile.

Basically the slide-stop cross-pin is meant to bear upward against the lower lugs in the locked position and stay in contact all the way through the unlocking cycle to end up bearing against the front of the lower lugs. If it doesn't, and is instead 'riding on the link', there are a few cheap options to try:

1. Shorter barrel link, about 3-thou' shorter
2. Alternatively, elongate the hole in the link slightly (in its upper side closest to the lower lugs) with a file - delicate work. Does the same thing as option 1 but with looser tolerances.

Pawpaw wrote:

Excaliber wrote:

flintknapper wrote:

Excaliber wrote:Here's the final resolution:

After a short breakin period, the new gun now reliably feeds FMJ and hollowpoints from Ruger 7 round magazines, but still isn't 100% with the 8 round Tripp Cobra and Wilson Combat mags I prefer to carry.

Ruger has met its obligations on this one because the gun works with their OEM equipment , but I have decided this gun just doesn't meet my needs.

It's going to be sold or traded.

If anyone here is interested, shoot me a PM.

Dang!

How do the failures manifest? Doesn't go completely into battery? Jam in barrel/feed angle? Does it do it at any round count (magazine fully loaded, last round, etc)?

I just hate that this thing isn't working for you.

It jams with the cartridge at a 45 degree angle with the rim not quite released from the magazine lips, the breech face against the base of the cartridge, and the projectile tip against the top of the chamber. In this position the cartridge rim doesn't quite make it to the point where it would move up into the extractor cut, so extractor tension isn't a factor (and I've tried just about every variation of extractor tension and extractor replacement too.) The angle is such that the slide can't be nudged into battery. It has to be cleared by removing the magazine and racking the slide to get the cartridge to drop free.

It doesn't do it consistently - just once in a while which makes troubleshooting really difficult.

I'm out of patience. It just isn't the gun for me.

Every time I've had that type of jam, I've been able to cure it by increasing lubrication on the slide rails.

For this reason, I've switched to TW25B synthetic grease on my slide rails.

Before spending money on the grease, you can test this theory by oiling the dickens out of your slide rails. I mean sloppy oily. If that stops the jams, then the theory is confirmed. Now obviously you don't want to always over oil like that because the oil will slowly turn to jelly and do more harm than good. If over oiling makes a difference, it's time for the grease.

flintknapper wrote:

Excaliber wrote:Here's the final resolution:

After a short breakin period, the new gun now reliably feeds FMJ and hollowpoints from Ruger 7 round magazines, but still isn't 100% with the 8 round Tripp Cobra and Wilson Combat mags I prefer to carry.

Ruger has met its obligations on this one because the gun works with their OEM equipment , but I have decided this gun just doesn't meet my needs.

It's going to be sold or traded.

If anyone here is interested, shoot me a PM.

Dang!

How do the failures manifest? Doesn't go completely into battery? Jam in barrel/feed angle? Does it do it at any round count (magazine fully loaded, last round, etc)?

I just hate that this thing isn't working for you.

Right2Carry wrote:

Excaliber wrote:Here's the final resolution:

After a short breakin period, the new gun now reliably feeds FMJ and hollowpoints from Ruger 7 round magazines, but still isn't 100% with the 8 round Tripp Cobra and Wilson Combat mags I prefer to carry.

Ruger has met its obligations on this one because the gun works with their OEM equipment , but I have decided this gun just doesn't meet my needs.

It's going to be sold or traded.

If anyone here is interested, shoot me a PM.

You do know that Ruger sells 8 and 10 round magazines. Also I am not sure they have met their obligation as the below is in the lightweight commander page.

Accepts all standard, aftermarket 1911 parts and accessories.

I take accept to mean works but YMMV.