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- Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:57 pm
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Here's another article with a video that explains the characteristics of Ahmed's clock that show he just took a manufactured clock out of its case.
- Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:00 am
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Further evidence of a setup:
According to this article, Ahmed didn't build the clock at all - it allegedly consisted of the guts of an identifiable Radio Shack alarm clock according to its configuration and the numbers printed on the circuit board.
The whole thing now looks like an islamist psyops exercise that worked predictably and spectacularly well.
I hope Irving PD looks into this, and, if it is true, holds press conferences and sends letters to MIT and the White House about Ahmed's actual "accomplishment."
According to this article, Ahmed didn't build the clock at all - it allegedly consisted of the guts of an identifiable Radio Shack alarm clock according to its configuration and the numbers printed on the circuit board.
The whole thing now looks like an islamist psyops exercise that worked predictably and spectacularly well.
I hope Irving PD looks into this, and, if it is true, holds press conferences and sends letters to MIT and the White House about Ahmed's actual "accomplishment."
- Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:56 am
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No, because the Secret Service is reportedly now a branch of the TSA, not the Treasury Department like it used to be.Schleprock wrote:I had not read the entirety of the 10 pages so I apologize if previously mentioned, but will the "cool clock" need to undergo SS scrutiny and inspection upon presentation at the White House?
- Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:07 am
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We're not alone in our suspicions.jimlongley wrote:Fleeting fame and no respect at all. Yes, the school got shamed, but the police did what they should have, and after talking to a friend from Irving, I suspect even more so that this was a blatant setup.Beiruty wrote:The boy won fame and respect and the Irving PD and ISD got shamed.
Check out the article here on Ahmed's father's past stunts.
- Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:15 pm
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Re: Nerdy 14 year old brings homemade clock to school and is arrested
There is another possibility here:
The device was designed to look suspicious but be provably innocuous in order to generate the response it actually got from teachers and police who could be foreseen not to use common sense when confronted with a situation like that. It is certainly the sloppiest and ugliest simple function clock I've ever seen and hardly what I would call a triumph of junior engineering. A non genius could do much better with a few cheap parts from Radio Shack.
Following this hypothesis, the purpose would be to present a situation that could be exploited in the media as blatantly unfair treatment of an innocent boy based on "islamophobia". When you think about it, that's not as far out as it seems at first. It is entirely predictable that the media would react as it did, that enormous sympathy would be generated for the "victim," and that he would be given all kinds of opportunities he otherwise would have to have earned. The police description of passive-aggressive behavior by the student during his interview would support at least considering that his motives were not as entirely innocent as he presents them to be.
Would that scenario take an adult a cynical worldview and some thoughtful planning behind the whole deal? Sure, but it would be consistent with the level of sophistication we're seeing from radical islamists, who are media aware, highly manipulative and much better grounded in reality than many of what passes for leaders these days.
I have no idea if that was the case here or not, but from an investigative standpoint I would treat it as one of the lines of investigation that should be followed until it is either proven or disproven.
Even if that was what was really going on, a little common sense from the police would still have ended the situation quickly and without fanfare. The bomb squad would have been called and determined that the device was neither dangerous nor designed in a manner consistent with a trigger for explosives, and the police would have handed the kid back his "clock" and told him to have a nice day. Unfortunately, that didn't happen and that's why we're looking at the stinking mess this case has become today.
The device was designed to look suspicious but be provably innocuous in order to generate the response it actually got from teachers and police who could be foreseen not to use common sense when confronted with a situation like that. It is certainly the sloppiest and ugliest simple function clock I've ever seen and hardly what I would call a triumph of junior engineering. A non genius could do much better with a few cheap parts from Radio Shack.
Following this hypothesis, the purpose would be to present a situation that could be exploited in the media as blatantly unfair treatment of an innocent boy based on "islamophobia". When you think about it, that's not as far out as it seems at first. It is entirely predictable that the media would react as it did, that enormous sympathy would be generated for the "victim," and that he would be given all kinds of opportunities he otherwise would have to have earned. The police description of passive-aggressive behavior by the student during his interview would support at least considering that his motives were not as entirely innocent as he presents them to be.
Would that scenario take an adult a cynical worldview and some thoughtful planning behind the whole deal? Sure, but it would be consistent with the level of sophistication we're seeing from radical islamists, who are media aware, highly manipulative and much better grounded in reality than many of what passes for leaders these days.
I have no idea if that was the case here or not, but from an investigative standpoint I would treat it as one of the lines of investigation that should be followed until it is either proven or disproven.
Even if that was what was really going on, a little common sense from the police would still have ended the situation quickly and without fanfare. The bomb squad would have been called and determined that the device was neither dangerous nor designed in a manner consistent with a trigger for explosives, and the police would have handed the kid back his "clock" and told him to have a nice day. Unfortunately, that didn't happen and that's why we're looking at the stinking mess this case has become today.
- Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:44 am
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I have to agree that this was not well handled.baldeagle wrote:Kids get handcuffed and arrested these days for drawing a picture of a gun. Parents get arrested because their four-year-old drew a gun. Kids get suspended for pointing a finger like a gun. For kissing ae girl. It shouldn't be surprising that this happened to this youngster. It's a nationwide epidemic of educational idiocy, panic and irrational fear.
I don't fault the teacher for calling police for an unusual black case with elaborate piece of cobbled together electronics inside. NON EOD folks shouldn't take apart things they think might be bombs to see if they are or not, and the teacher was smart if he didn't (although he may not have been smart and done so anyway - press reports haven't said).
I don't fault the police for thinking it could be a bomb, but that's where I think this matter went south.
If it was believed to be a possible explosive device, the procedure for such things is to leave it in place and call the bomb squad to figure out if it is or not. They should have followed procedure. Since they didn't and patrol officers aren't usually bold about handling things they think could be bombs, it is reasonable to conclude that they quickly determined it did not contain an explosive component.
From the best I can make of news reports, the police interviewed the kid who told them it was a clock he had made and wanted to show his teacher. The police had no clue what they were looking at in terms of electronics. I wouldn't either. The smart next steps would have been to consult the bomb squad to determine if it was designed to be an explosive device trigger (e.g. was made in accordance with bomb trigger plans available from terrorist sources) and talk to the DA about what they did and didn't have in terms of a valid charge. Instead they jumped right to charging kid with bringing a hoax bomb to school. That's a pretty big stretch as they are no doubt now aware after making themselves look incompetent in the national press.
When all is said and done, the kid made out pretty well from all this. After what was an initially confusing and frightening experience during the arrest, the incident brought him national fame and he'll be going to the White House and Facebook headquarters. He'll probably also get scholarship offers to MIT and some of the other best tech schools in the country.
In my book, this was not one of those cases one would use in the academy to teach recruits how things should be done.