Search found 3 matches

by Excaliber
Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:17 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Mythbuster's Tueller Drill (aka "knife to a gun fight")
Replies: 17
Views: 4464

Re: Mythbuster's Tueller Drill (aka "knife to a gun fight")

ammoboy2 wrote:
MoJo wrote: When you are facing an opponent armed with a knife once he starts to rush you MOVE off the line of attack. You can gain valuable seconds by moving back and to one side or the other. :tiphat:
I agree with this except the backing up part. If you are lucky you can back up half as fast as someone running forward. The best strategy is to step to the side, this forces the attacker to reajust and change their vector. It is also more difficult to turn while running forward which increases the targeting problem for the attacker. The step to the side provides significant time to engage the knife wielder. The simple side step works even at distances as close as 10 ft while this drill demonstrates you need 21 ft straight for striaght on. Additionally without the side step off the line of attack, a successful handgun shot, which is frequenly not an instant stop anyway, you most likely will be injured. So if you are still on the line of attack then the wounded attacker can still severly injure or kill you. That is not a winning combination, but bringing a gun to a knifefight.
A subtlety to the tactic of stepping to the side off the line of attack is to do so to the side opposite the one that holds the BG's weapon. If timed right, this sharply limits the range of his edged or impact weapon to just slightly beyond his torso because he has to deploy it across his body instead of to the side on the strong side, where he has a full arm's reach. Of course, if he's trained, he'll simply change hands, but most aren't so trained.

Another subtlety (although more debatable) is to focus the one shot you may get off into the pelvic girdle to try to take the BG's undercarriage out from under him so he can't run or maneuver. This too holds no guarantees, but it's a more likely stop than a center mass shot and a more likely hit than a head shot attempted under these circumstances.
by Excaliber
Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:09 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Mythbuster's Tueller Drill (aka "knife to a gun fight")
Replies: 17
Views: 4464

Re: Mythbuster's Tueller Drill (aka "knife to a gun fight")

jsenner wrote:
LAYGO wrote: Also, this should prove that one in the chamber is THE ONLY WAY TO GO.
I disagree that it proves this. The supposed absolute of always carry chambered in this scenario is in my mind a crutch for lack of proficiency. Fully admitting that I do not possess such proficiency myself, I have trained under people that could very easily draw from concealment, charge, and fire on target before anyone else in the class could fire from chambered (and some tried holstered outside of concealment).

This, of course, ignores other variables like being in a situation where one arm is disabled, etc. Should you carry chambered? Yea, for most of us, probably so. Does the Tueller drill *prove* that? Not nearly as adequately as other situations do.
There are extraordinary people who can do extraordinary things, but that doesn't make what they do a good idea for the rest of us.

The only instructor I ever trained with who could reliably charge a gun in Condition 3 and fire accurately in an impressively short time was an active duty Israeli Defense Force commando. Even for him, it still took measurable time and would be a major disadvantage under a Tueller drill scenario.

Although he drilled it as the only safe way to carry a pistol, none of the people in that class bought it as a good idea.
by Excaliber
Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:04 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Mythbuster's Tueller Drill (aka "knife to a gun fight")
Replies: 17
Views: 4464

Re: Mythbuster's Tueller Drill (aka "knife to a gun fight")

MoJo wrote:
LAYGO wrote:

I did a search on all Mythbuster's thread (Mythbusters + knife = 0 results) & searched for the Youtube URL, all turned up bumpkis.

So, I saw this & the entire time I'm waiting for them to say "Tueller Driller" (wiki/ article by Tueller). They never did.

Again, it PROVES that 21 feet is that magical number where you don't want to let someone get within. Also, this should prove that one in the chamber is THE ONLY WAY TO GO.

Although, their initial test of running away was flawed. They should've had Jaime an arm's length away at start instead of the "bad breath" distance.

Enjoy & discuss.
When you are facing an opponent armed with a knife once he starts to rush you MOVE off the line of attack. You can gain valuable seconds by moving back and to one side or the other. :tiphat:
This is true, but what's not often mentioned is that the timing is critical.

If you move to soon, your adversary will correct and follow you.

If you move too late, well, you might as well not have moved at all.

Return to “Mythbuster's Tueller Drill (aka "knife to a gun fight")”