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The Annoyed Man wrote:

Excaliber wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I had mine to the range last Monday, and it was fine. The trigger might have been just a little stiffer, but not so much that I really noticed it. By the way, I found a good carry round for it: Hornady 185 grain Critical Defense. Per Hornady, it gets 900 fps and 333 ft lb at the muzzle out of a 3" barrel. It feels like it has a fair amount more "pop" than a 230 grain FMJ, but it isn't painful or anything. Plus, the shape of the nose practically guarantees it will never misfeed.

I deliberately fed mine a mix of every type of carry round I had in my bag of "retired" carry rounds (those I changed out because they'd been in the magazine more than 1 year) and it ate everything with aplomb and was not punishing with any of them, including the +P's.

I like the Critical Defense rounds, but didn't have any of those to try yesterday. I agree that the bullet shape which is more conical than rounded should feed in even balky guns, but I can't say I've verified that with testing. Fortunately the XDS isn't a fussy eater.

I stopped looking for the "perfect bullet" quite awhile back. Any premium hollowpoint (Hornady XTP, Speer Gold Dot, Critcal Defense, etc.) will do what I need done as long as I do my part. If I don't, there's no magic bullet that will make up for my failure to perform.

I generally prefer the standard velocity rounds because I can shoot those more accurately and quickly than the +P's in a little gun, and I think that outweighs the small compromise in velocity.

The Hornady isn't catalogued as +P. It comes by the higher velocity in short barrels by virtue of lighter weight. I don't think of it as a magic pill or anything, I just have greater confidence in the bullet performing as designed if the velocity is up to snuff. A 230 grain bullet going 750-800 fps out of a short barrel is still going to hurt someone badly, and penetrate relatively deeply, but the bullet may not have enough velocity to fully deform........or maybe it will.....that's the problem, not being confident that it will. A bullet going 900 fps likely will perform.......at least that's what I keep telling myself.

The Annoyed Man wrote:I had mine to the range last Monday, and it was fine. The trigger might have been just a little stiffer, but not so much that I really noticed it. By the way, I found a good carry round for it: Hornady 185 grain Critical Defense. Per Hornady, it gets 900 fps and 333 ft lb at the muzzle out of a 3" barrel. It feels like it has a fair amount more "pop" than a 230 grain FMJ, but it isn't painful or anything. Plus, the shape of the nose practically guarantees it will never misfeed.

The Annoyed Man wrote:I had mine to the range last Monday, and it was fine. The trigger might have been just a little stiffer, but not so much that I really noticed it. By the way, I found a good carry round for it: Hornady 185 grain Critical Defense. Per Hornady, it gets 900 fps and 333 ft lb at the muzzle out of a 3" barrel. It feels like it has a fair amount more "pop" than a 230 grain FMJ, but it isn't painful or anything. Plus, the shape of the nose practically guarantees it will never misfeed.

LTUME1978 wrote:Excaliber,

I am hoping that mine will work out for the same reasons you expressed. They are small pistols that pack a lot of punch. I talked to SA this afternoon. They were very nice but not much they could tell me until I can check the pull of the triggers. I did go out to PSC this afternoon after work and put 100 rounds through each pistol. No issues with reliability with either one. I was shooting at 7 yards, trying to keep all shots on small paper plates that are about the size of the "zero down" section of an IDPA target. I was using my shot timer and would draw on the beep. The course of fire was to draw and fire two shots on one paper plate then transition to the second plate and fire two more shots. The best I could do (keeping all shots on the plates) was 3.16 seconds. More normal was 3.6 - 3.8 seconds. My best split was 0.32 seconds but most were in the 0.4 - 0.5 range. Transitions ran in the 0.5s. My first shot was also slow (1.60 - 1.9 seconds from the beep to the first shot). All of these times were when I kept all four shots on the plates (more than 50% of the time). I had to really focus on my trigger pull to keep from pulling the shots just off the plate low and left. I may be expecting too much from such a small pistol. My normal splits run 0.2s with my M&P 9 Pro and my draw and transition is faster as well.

What are you seeing with your XDs now that you have the parts polished up? How much are you giving up in accuracy/speed vs a full size pistol? I did notice that using the extended magazine instead of the regular magazine helped to improve speed/controllability a little but I will want to carry with the regular magazine most of the time for best concealment.

LTUME1978 wrote:Excaliber,

I am hoping that mine will work out for the same reasons you expressed. They are small pistols that pack a lot of punch. I talked to SA this afternoon. They were very nice but not much they could tell me until I can check the pull of the triggers. I did go out to PSC this afternoon after work and put 100 rounds through each pistol. No issues with reliability with either one. I was shooting at 7 yards, trying to keep all shots on small paper plates that are about the size of the "zero down" section of an IDPA target. I was using my shot timer and would draw on the beep. The course of fire was to draw and fire two shots on one paper plate then transition to the second plate and fire two more shots. The best I could do (keeping all shots on the plates) was 3.16 seconds. More normal was 3.6 - 3.8 seconds. My best split was 0.32 seconds but most were in the 0.4 - 0.5 range. Transitions ran in the 0.5s. My first shot was also slow (1.60 - 1.9 seconds from the beep to the first shot). All of these times were when I kept all four shots on the plates (more than 50% of the time). I had to really focus on my trigger pull to keep from pulling the shots just off the plate low and left. I may be expecting too much from such a small pistol. My normal splits run 0.2s with my M&P 9 Pro and my draw and transition is faster as well.

What are you seeing with your XDs now that you have the parts polished up? How much are you giving up in accuracy/speed vs a full size pistol? I did notice that using the extended magazine instead of the regular magazine helped to improve speed/controllability a little but I will want to carry with the regular magazine most of the time for best concealment.

LTUME1978 wrote:Another update on my adventure with the XDs. In an earlier phone conversation with SA, they told me that is was possible to get the triggers down to 4 pounds. However, after I was able to get my triggers tested (both above factory spec), I had another conversation with them to get a call tag. This time, they told me that there was no way to get the post recall triggers down to even 5.5 lbs much less 4 pounds. After some conversation, they had me talk to the guy that does the work on these triggers. He told me that about the best he could get the post recall triggers is 6.5 pounds. I asked what he would do to accomplish this and he told me lots of polishing. Both pistols are up there now for whatever they can do to them to improve them. I will update when they get back.

My biggest complaint with the post recall pistols is the loooong pull of the trigger. It feels almost like a double action revolver. I will shoot these when they get back and see how the splits come out with a shot timer. If I can't maintain 0.3 seconds or better with reasonable accuracy, it will be decision time.

hpcatx wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote: I can't imagine why the recoil characteristics would have changed. It's the same caliber. It's the same recoil mechanism. It's the same barrel length. Have you shot any other .45s while it was out for repair?

BTW, I haven't had mine to the range yet since I got it back the other day, but I have dry fired it a bunch, and it doesn't seem much different from what I had before.

TAM, I completely agree... hence my comment that the perceived change in recoil might just be in my head. That said, I wonder if the changes to sear (and the arm from the grip safety that sits across it) could have an effect. I did not, in fact, shoot any other .45s while mine was out for repair. This is the first .45 I've owned and I only made solo trips to the range and practiced with my 9mms -- so that could very well factor into what I was feeling. I didn't think there was a noticeable difference when I dry fired mine, so please let me know your reactions after you get to the range with yours.

Excaliber, thanks for the detailed discussions of your new trigger. This is definitely of interest to me, although I'd probably have to let someone more skilled than I (i.e. a real gunsmith) do the work.

jmra wrote:

Excaliber wrote:

jmra wrote:

LTUME1978 wrote:I got my 2 XDs 45s back at the end of December. The triggers were heavy with a long pull (felt like I was pulling on a double action revolver). I put 250 rounds through each pistol and did lots of dry firing. The smoothed out a little but still a long heavy pull (don't know how heavy as my trigger gauge does not go that high). I called Springfield Armory about this today. I told them that the trigger is significantly different than what is was went I bought them and that, if they had a trigger like that when I examined them in the store, I would not have bought them. Since the pistol trigger is so different, I asked for my money back. They said no to that. I was told to check the trigger pull. The spec for a recall pistol is 5.5 to 7.7 pounds. If it is above that, they will issue a call tag and work on the trigger. I told them that I did not want to send them in just to get a trigger that is 7.6 pounds. She assured me that they would take them down to 5.5 pounds if I had to send them back. She said it would only take two weeks as it will go to a different department than the recall department. She also stated that they did trigger jobs on XDs pistols and could take them down to 4 pounds but, because of the recall, they are not doing any "special" trigger jobs now.

I will need to borrow a gauge from a friend to see what I have. If they are over 7.7 pounds, they are going back to SA. Will update when I know more.

This is what I'm afraid of. If mine comes back like this I will probably sell it and move on.

I invested $18 in a replacement spring kit from Powder River Precision that is supposed to improve the trigger action substantially. I'm still waiting for it to be delivered.

I'll let you know what I think about it once I get it installed and tested.

Thank you. Look forward to hearing what difference it makes.

jmra wrote:

LTUME1978 wrote:I got my 2 XDs 45s back at the end of December. The triggers were heavy with a long pull (felt like I was pulling on a double action revolver). I put 250 rounds through each pistol and did lots of dry firing. The smoothed out a little but still a long heavy pull (don't know how heavy as my trigger gauge does not go that high). I called Springfield Armory about this today. I told them that the trigger is significantly different than what is was went I bought them and that, if they had a trigger like that when I examined them in the store, I would not have bought them. Since the pistol trigger is so different, I asked for my money back. They said no to that. I was told to check the trigger pull. The spec for a recall pistol is 5.5 to 7.7 pounds. If it is above that, they will issue a call tag and work on the trigger. I told them that I did not want to send them in just to get a trigger that is 7.6 pounds. She assured me that they would take them down to 5.5 pounds if I had to send them back. She said it would only take two weeks as it will go to a different department than the recall department. She also stated that they did trigger jobs on XDs pistols and could take them down to 4 pounds but, because of the recall, they are not doing any "special" trigger jobs now.

I will need to borrow a gauge from a friend to see what I have. If they are over 7.7 pounds, they are going back to SA. Will update when I know more.

This is what I'm afraid of. If mine comes back like this I will probably sell it and move on.

RogueUSMC wrote:I don't think they have got a post-recall grip safety though...alot of folks are waiting for it. But, post recall, the grip safety doesn't have to be pressed NEAR as far to function.

RogueUSMC wrote:http://shop.powderriverprecision.net/pr ... egoryId=17

Blindref757 wrote:I took my xds9 to the range this week and specifically tried to get it to slam fire. Put the gun into battery several times without the grip safety engaged with no problems. I tried it with two different magazines and with a varying number of bullets in each one. Never could accomplish a discharge. I tried it while using the slide lock and a manual pull and release. I'm still not convinced that I need to send mine in and risk getting a crummy trigger. I absolutely love this gun (trigger) the way it is right now. The recoil is amazingly unnoticable and it fits my hand like a glove!

Is there anything I'm missing as to why I should send this gun in?

jmra wrote:I was doing a little googling and realized that there have been more than a few claims of Glocks "going full auto". But yet Glock didn't recall an entire line to address the issue.
I have only seen a couple of claims of this happening with the XDs yet Springfield recalls the entire line. Really sounds like an overreaction to me.