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by Excaliber
Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:04 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: This kid took the VP's advise and got a shotgun...
Replies: 25
Views: 4002

Re: This kid took the VP's advise and got a shotgun...

OldCannon wrote:
Excaliber wrote: I would agree that healthy minds can make the distinction between violent fantasy and reality pretty easily. Unfortunately, unhealthy minds don't see to do this as well, and the tactics and reflexes learned in the games do have applicability in the real world.
No they don't. This is a dangerous connection you're claiming. Grand Theft Auto doesn't teach you to drive, Call of Duty doesn't teach you to shoot a gun, IL-2 Sturmovik doesn't teach you to fly fighter planes, and Angry Birds doesn't do a darned thing to teach you about slingshots.

If you want to make the claim, then it extends just as well to movies and TV, including historical documentaries like on the History channel (indeed, I would say moreso, since many films depict actual events, rather than a kid juiced on Red Bull charging headfirst into a bunch of enemies in Battlefield 3).

Again, we must be VERY careful about oversimplifying the problems.
I think you may be misinterpreting what I said.

Use of video games does not cause violent behavior. However, excessive use of them by individuals who have mental health issues to start with can indeed desensitize them to the suffering caused by real violence. Furthermore, the games can help develop perceptual skills, tactical decision making, and hand / eye coordination that has application in real world environments. The military uses this medium for exactly these purposes, so I'm pretty sure it works as stated.

Before discounting this as unfounded, you may want to review what combat psychologist Col. Dave Grossman has to say on this subject in his very well regarded book On Combat.

Video games are also sharply different than movies or TV because they involve active decision making and physical action which impacts the outcome. This is a critical distinction between those media.
by Excaliber
Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:44 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: This kid took the VP's advise and got a shotgun...
Replies: 25
Views: 4002

Re: This kid took the VP's advise and got a shotgun...

OldCannon wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote: Sure, people don't have to let their gaming lives cross over into their real lives, but sadly, we know for a fact that some people do, and we get Columbine, Aurora, and Sandy Hook as a result. I have no solution. I merely observe and report the facts.
I'm not convinced of this at all. One did not cause the other, there was a human in the loop. Just like with guns, _millions_ of people play video games every day and don't cause crimes (and most of us here remember when the pen-and-paper "Dungeons and Dragons" game was being blamed for criminal behavior). Just like with guns, the mere possession or legal use of a video game doesn't turn us into criminals. It's VERY true that we can identify aggressive behavior in some gamers, much more easily than with guns because of the (supposed) anonymity the internet grants them (as TAM properly points out). But the behavior gets turned off when the game is turned off (for 99.99% of folks). Some people become too emotionally invested in the game and become extremely abusive. If you think this is limited to "Call of Duty" or "Grand Theft Auto" games, I would like to invite you to see some of the chat logs from my wife's online Euchre games.

Let me repeat that: Euchre.

We all know something is distinctly _different_ with the world than it was 50 or 60 years ago. We struggle to find a reason (violent video games, poor education systems, poor diets, lack of morals, long hair, filthy music, hair dryers, etc.). We live in a world now that is far more complicated, far more connected, and far more forgiving of impolite behavior. We want to find a demon. We NEED to find a demon. We can't though, because the whole system has too many complexities. Picking "guns" or "video games" as the demons just helps us find a little peace in a chaotic world, but doesn't yield a real answer.

We must be careful, collectively, of demonizing a thing that really has no _direct and significant_ causality to the criminal behavior we want to prevent, yet this is _precisely_ what we see Demo(n)crats doing now, and aggressively so.
I would agree that healthy minds can make the distinction between violent fantasy and reality pretty easily. Unfortunately, unhealthy minds don't seem to do this as well, and the tactics and reflexes learned in the games do have applicability in the real world.

I do not favor killing the First Amendment to try to solve the problems the nation faces from turning away from God. That's not gonna work. However, I would consider real concern followed by parental intervention to be the reasonable response to seeing a child immersing himself in violent games to the exclusion of healthy real world activities. No good will ever come from that.
by Excaliber
Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:39 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: This kid took the VP's advise and got a shotgun...
Replies: 25
Views: 4002

Re: This kid took the VP's advise and got a shotgun...

jimlongley wrote:The Dallas Morning News had a "Talking Point" this morning about Joe Buffoon, er, Biden making that remark.

My answer, which I would like to see published:

Unfortunately for most of us hoi polloi, the Vice President's suggestion that we could scare away bad guys by firing a shotgun into the air is just plain dangerous, and in almost every jurisdiction, criminal.

Which would make the suggestion clownishly funny if it wasn't for the fact that he should know better.

Jim Longley
What makes it worse is that he may well know better and is deliberately providing irresponsible misinformation to the throngs of Obamanauts with flatline EEG's who will gobble it up as gospel and repeat it ad nauseam as if it had real credibility.

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