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ELB wrote:

Excaliber wrote: ...
Extend the sequence for additional BG's with 1 round each until engaging the last, then continue the exercise in reverse. Repeat as necessary.

If you want to really make it exciting, picture doing this with a .380 Kel Tech or a snubby .38 as your EDC....

Which is why my snubs & keltec are last-ditch backup guns...

Jumping Frog wrote: ...That same customer took his unarmed hand and swept the three children into a safe spot out of the way against the wall...

I wonder about this. I'll take this specific instance as it is, lacking any contrary info, and it certainly worked out OK in this case, but as a rule... most shootings that go over one or two rounds seem to involve a lot of missing by both sides, so short of being behind really good cover (which might in fact be daddy's body), I don't know that there is such a thing as a "safe spot." Time and effort and limbs used pushing others to a spot that may or may not be safer might be better spent zippering rounds into BG's head(s).

jmra wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:I'm glad that this turned out as well as it did. While trying to understand what happened, based on this report, it had the potential to go several different ways.

1. The BG had already discharged his gun into the floor so unless he was out of ammo or had a gun malfunction afterwards, he had a "hot" weapon in his hands. He could just as easily raised it and shot back torward the GG or the kids or both while the "clip" was being emptied in his direction.
2. I've read that BGs are often cowards and the 2nd BG taking off when the GG opened fire in this reinforced that that point. The thing that I'm most worried about if I faced a similar situation is getting tunnel vision and focusing only on the BG in front of me while the 2nd BG opens fire on me. Training to "share" my magazine among multiple BGs seems to be one of the more difficult scenarios handle. I would love to hear from the GG if he even recognized that the 2nd BG was in full retreat while he was handling the first BG.
3. The report said that there were two armed customers. There was no mention of the 2nd GG getting involved. I can only guess that the GG who did the shooting had either better situational awareness or better reaction time than his buddy.

I agree that this thing could have gone many different directions but once the bg discharged his weapon, IMHO, the whole situation changes. By discharging his weapon the bg showed his hand in several ways;
1. No doubt the gun is real
2. No doubt he gun is loaded
3. The bg will not hesitate to shoot some one
4. The likelyhood that he would shoot some one increased dramatically

At this point if you have a firearm and a clear line of fire (and what appears to be the element of surprise) and you choose not to use your weapon, why do you even carry to began with. I can't think of a situation in which your life could be in more danger.
My assumption would be the second gg did not have a clear line of fire at the bg and was waiting for an opportunity.

chasfm11 wrote:I'm glad that this turned out as well as it did. While trying to understand what happened, based on this report, it had the potential to go several different ways.

1. The BG had already discharged his gun into the floor so unless he was out of ammo or had a gun malfunction afterwards, he had a "hot" weapon in his hands. He could just as easily raised it and shot back torward the GG or the kids or both while the "clip" was being emptied in his direction.

2. I've read that BGs are often cowards and the 2nd BG taking off when the GG opened fire in this reinforced that that point. The thing that I'm most worried about if I faced a similar situation is getting tunnel vision and focusing only on the BG in front of me while the 2nd BG opens fire on me. Training to "share" my magazine among multiple BGs seems to be one of the more difficult scenarios handle. I would love to hear from the GG if he even recognized that the 2nd BG was in full retreat while he was handling the first BG.

3. The report said that there were two armed customers. There was no mention of the 2nd GG getting involved. I can only guess that the GG who did the shooting had either better situational awareness or better reaction time than his buddy.