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by Excaliber
Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:57 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: FL: Man "asks for it," gets it
Replies: 26
Views: 2516

Re: FL: Man "asks for it," gets it

speedsix wrote:...I've seen over two dozen grown men lay down and die from the .22 short right there on the street...I'm a believer that it's lethal...when I was making a whole $500 per month, I carried a High Standard snub with .22 LRHP in it as my backup for about a year...till I could afford something better...with proper bullet placement, it's adequate...I wouldn't advocate anyone choosing a .22 rimfire as their primary...but I wouldn't do anything to make someone with a .22 rimfire to shoot me, either...never saw it "explode" anyone...but I've often seen it reduce blood pressure to a big fat 0...

...an unnumbered, unnamed group of family businessmen have used the .22 round for decades with great success, as have employees of a rather large Company...just sayin'...
Ambush and defense are different applications.

An expertly placed head shot from a suppressed weapon (as the family and company organizations you cited often used) into an unsuspecting target or the less well known shot through a body orifice are well proven to be pretty much instantly lethal, and the .22 has been a favorite for that due to the low noise signature and small or no visible wound.

However, even though putting several small caliber rounds into a determined shooting or charging adversary will eventually ruin his day, there's a very high probability that won't happen before he finishes ruining yours. It could happen with perfect shot placement and a lot of luck, but then again it very well might not.

If that's all you've got at the time, that's what you have to go with, but deliberately choosing to rely on a tiny low power round for defense when better options are available has few advantages I can think of and enough drawbacks to make me happy to take the role of observer to see how that strategy works out for others rather than having those experiences myself.
by Excaliber
Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:28 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: FL: Man "asks for it," gets it
Replies: 26
Views: 2516

Re: FL: Man "asks for it," gets it

speedsix wrote:...I fear/respect the .22 short lead bullet as much as I do a .357 full house...back in the 70s, the .22 short was the primary weapon chosen by most of the criminals I handled (RG10)...I saw more die of that round than any other...the coroner told us that you'd more likely die of the .22 short than a .45 because it bounced around inside and created more holes than the heavier bullet, and the Dr. couldn't stop the bleeding soon enough...proof was in the pudding...then crime seemed to get more profitable, and "folks" went to the "nines"...now they have money enough for anything they want...
Many of those who survive the initial perforations from this round eventually die of infection due to the germ laden material carried all along the wound path by the molten lube these bullets are coated with.

From a defensive standpoint, the problem with it is that little holes bleed slowly and folks who need to be stopped right now end up stopping later than a defender can afford.

In one case I saw, a defender fired 14 rounds of .22LR from a rifle into his attacker's torso from across the room distance. He did achieve a stop and the attacker fell at his feet just before he could do damage, but he was pretty shaken up that so many shots had so little initial effect.
by Excaliber
Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:25 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: FL: Man "asks for it," gets it
Replies: 26
Views: 2516

Re: FL: Man "asks for it," gets it

Oldgringo wrote:Sorta' on topic:

There are those who do not believe the .22 is an adequate self defense cartridge. I'm waiting to hear the condition of the person/s who asked to be shot with a .22 to prove this belief.
I wouldn't volunteer to be shot with a .177 caliber pellet pistol either, but that doesn't make it a suitable defense round.

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