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by Excaliber
Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:29 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Would anybody support a NCIC check for buying ammo?
Replies: 79
Views: 12682

Re: Would anybody support a NCIC check for buying ammo?

Stupid wrote:
Excaliber wrote:
You might also consider the fact that the folks who lie about their criminal histories on Form 4473 and get caught on the background check are almost never investigated or prosecuted, even though they've committed a federal felony. A similar system for ammo would be no different.
Are you serious on this?
Here's a little data to help you judge for yourself.

The following information is taken from an NRA-ILA fact sheet on the Brady Act.

The GAO studied 20 Brady jurisdictions, 15 of which--Arizona; Arkansas; Kentucky; Nevada; Ohio; SouthCarolina; Clayton and Fulton Counties (Georgia); Bossier and Caddo Parishes (Louisiana); and Abilene, Fort Worth, Harris County (Houston area), Houston, and Pasadena (Texas)--had records identifying general reasons for purchase denials. GAO reviewed 384,301 retail handgun purchase applications occurring between Feb. 28, 1994 andFeb. 28, 1995, and found that 95.2% of applicants were approved immediately. Of the 4.8% disapproved, nearly half involved administrative errors (applications prepared or mailed incorrectly, etc.) or erroneous denials for traffic tickets. Persons denied for violent and nonviolent crime-related reasons accounted for 2.4% of applicants; denials due to administrative errors, 2%; and denials due to traffic tickets, 0.4%. Only four jurisdictions--Ohio; South Carolina; and Harris (Houston) and Tarrant (Fort Worth) Counties, Texas--had records identifying denials for violent crime reasons, and 0.2% of handgun purchase applications were so denied. (See additional discussion of the GAO study on previous pages).


Do the math here - 2.4% of 384,301 applicants denied for criminal records is 9,223 people. Remember, this is not the national figure. This number comes from only one study of only 20 jurisdictions over a period of one year. Obviously the national figure would be much higher.

Keeping this in mind, look at the national number of convictions for submitting false gun purchase forms over a three year period.

On Dec. 24, 1997, the Dept. of Justice, citing statistics from the Executive Office of United States Attorneys, stated that during Fiscal Years 1994-1997 only 599 individuals were convicted of providing false information on either federal forms 4473 (used to document retail firearms purchases) or Brady handgun purchase application forms. During this period, a minimum of 75 of those convicted provided false information on Brady forms. (Letter from Acting Assistant Attorney General John C. Keeney to Sen. Richard J. Durbin, D-Ill.)
by Excaliber
Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:50 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Would anybody support a NCIC check for buying ammo?
Replies: 79
Views: 12682

Re: Would anybody support a NCIC check for buying ammo?

lkd wrote:
Stupid wrote:
USA1 wrote:
Stupid wrote: Is there any problem with this idea?
Yes. It would be yet another infringement on on my rights and privacy.
The idea is to prevent bad guys from buying ammo.
I can't figure out if you're trolling or not, so I'll play along (just kidding, actually, I've seen your other posts -- you're not a troll, so I'm taking your question seriously)

NCIS on gun purchases really hasn't "flushed out" the bad guys when it comes to buying guns, because bad guys don't buy new guns - they have other people do it, or they buy from private sellers who don't know they're bad guys. Bad guys are bad, not stupid.

f I was a bad guy, and there was an NCIS check, and I REALLY wanted ammo, I guess I'd just reload my own. Are you suggesting NCIS checks for bullets, casings, primers, or propellant too?

And seriously, what twisted, Pelosian logic (oh, I just made that up, that's a nice term :mrgreen: ) would justify something so rare as to having an actual incident where a bad guy can't get ammo? Should we also say that swimming pools must remain empty until they're in use, and then immediately drained to prevent the thousand of accidental drownings each year?
You might also consider the fact that the folks who lie about their criminal histories on Form 4473 and get caught on the background check are almost never investigated or prosecuted, even though they've committed a federal felony. A similar system for ammo would be no different.

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