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PappaGun wrote:

Excaliber wrote:...Some folks learn from the mistakes and wisdom of others. They figure there's little reason to repeat the same old mistakes when so many new and creative ones are still available...

I never make the same mistake twice.

I make a new mistake for the first time often.

I try to do the same, and succeed most of the time, but sometimes it takes twice before an error sinks in.

I haven't needed 3 times yet.

carlson1 wrote:This carry could possibly cripple you for life.

Some folks learn from the mistakes and wisdom of others. They figure there's little reason to repeat the same old mistakes when so many new and creative ones are still available.

Some folks learn only through experience, which is defined as "what you get when you don't get what you want," even when that experience is the same as that of many others who got the same result by doing the same things before. These are the folks who expect that if you do the same thing over and over often enough, at some point the rules of the universe will change and they'll get a different result.

The lesson to be learned about the crippling potential of SOB holsters, as repeatedly cautioned against here by some of our members with decades of professional gun carry and use experience, is a harsh and sometimes permanent one. However, it is most assuredly convincing to even the most skeptical when it happens. That makes it a sad event, but not a total loss, because the fresh repetition of what has happened before can serve as a renewed warning to others. It's a lot like the revelation folks have that unlocked doors can facilitate a home invasion after exactly that happens next door, when all the prior incidents they read about didn't make enough of an impression to change their practices at all.

With all the ice on the ground this week, we may be seeing a post from a new real world SOB holster experience any day now. Stay tuned.

PappaGun wrote:

Excaliber wrote:

jamisjockey wrote:I've got a number of objections to SOB. I've tried it and decided it wasn't the best for me.

1) Possibility of a fall injuring your back
2) Gunfights aren't pretty things. Lie flat on your back with someone trying to pummel you and try drawing from SOB.
3) Where is the most natural spot to draw from? SOB takes extra movements to get to.
4) You pretty much can't bend over without your cover garment riding up and showing it off.

Not a fan, at all.

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5) Try defending against a gun grab attempt.
6) You'll need a convincing explanation for the resounding "thunk" sound that accompanies your seating on wooden benches like those in restaurants, churches, etc. (this can happen with other holster types too, particularly with large guns carried OWB at 3:00.)
7) The gun in this position pokes out like an unnatural growth through the opening above the seat in the backs of many types of chairs

Pretty funny stuff.

1) I fell off a horse once with my gun at 3:00 and boy did it hurt. I limped for days.
How often do you fall down, really? Flat on your back?
2) Same could be said with any gun carry technique. Some fights could lead to innacessability of weapon.
It depends, and it is unpredicatable.
3) Maybe. I'm a lefty. When the BG thinks I'm going for my wallet in my right pocket, I'm coming out with some thing else.
(I shoot righty, write lefty, and my wallet is in my left pocket.)
4) I felt that way about OWB. Either way, OWB or SOB, I don't do much bending over cuz it'll get exposed.
5) If concealed properly, why would this be any more of a problem?
6) I'm not a church goer.
There have been other threads about explaining yourself if your "found out". Most seemed to think that no explanation was needed. It's only a thunk, I dunno. Maybe a church mouse?
Why is this any different?
7) Maybe one should not try to SOB full size 1911?
My G27 conceals pretty well SOB.

Just providing some answers.
Not trying to be (too much) of a wise alleck.
As I said before, some times it is my preferred my method, some times I carry other ways.
Carrying SOB is by far better than not carrying at all.

The amusement value of those considerations varies in inverse proportion to one's real world experience with the operation of Murphy's law as it pertains to the carrying of concealed handguns.

If you fall on your back while carrying this way, walking away at all would mean it's your lucky day, and not walking away that day or perhaps ever again wouldn't leave me smiling.

The prudent man thinks long and hard before adopting a carry method that is rarely used by the folks who walk into danger for a living. If it was really all that great, they'd be doing it too.

jamisjockey wrote:I've got a number of objections to SOB. I've tried it and decided it wasn't the best for me.

1) Possibility of a fall injuring your back
2) Gunfights aren't pretty things. Lie flat on your back with someone trying to pummel you and try drawing from SOB.
3) Where is the most natural spot to draw from? SOB takes extra movements to get to.
4) You pretty much can't bend over without your cover garment riding up and showing it off.

Not a fan, at all.

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5) Try defending against a gun grab attempt.
6) You'll need a convincing explanation for the resounding "thunk" sound that accompanies your seating on wooden benches like those in restaurants, churches, etc. (this can happen with other holster types too, particularly with large guns carried OWB at 3:00.)
7) The gun in this position pokes out like an unnatural growth through the opening above the seat in the backs of many types of chairs

Skiprr wrote:

Skiprr wrote:There have been several threads and opinions about small-of-back carry. Here's one: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=21342" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Just a reiteration.

Tactically, small-of-back carry is a very poor choice.

Your mileage may vary, but I'm just sayin'...

Some folks are from Missouri and prefer personal experience to accounts from others.

I prefer the other way around when the experience comes from reliable sources and the information makes sense to me because I don't have the time to redo all the mistakes they've been through. It's faster, less expensive, and less painful.

Either method works, and in some cases it's kinda six of one and half a dozen of the other.

But in this case,.....OUCH!

WildBill wrote:

jcarp02 wrote:Does anyone use a "SOB" holster? I've heard they are a pain to wear while driving, but other than that are there any cons? Just trying to figure out what is the easiest way to conceal.

Most of the people on the forum do not recommend SOB carry due to the possibily injurying the back from a fall.

A fall isn't the only way to suffer injury from SOB carry. It could easily happen in a vehicle wreck as well.