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by Excaliber
Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:21 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: 8-12-09 Boy's Shooting Death - "jostled a backpack"
Replies: 40
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Re: 8-12-09 Boy's Shooting Death - "jostled a backpack"

3dfxMM wrote:I already read all of that. I still don't see anything in there that supports the idea that the boyfriend did the shooting.
According to the article in TAM's post below, the older brother fired the boyfriend's gun. The mother and boyfriend then placed the mother's gun at the scene, removed and hid the boyfriend's gun, and lied to the police about how the incident happened and the gun that was used. There was no allegation that the boyfriend did the shooting.
by Excaliber
Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:45 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: 8-12-09 Boy's Shooting Death - "jostled a backpack"
Replies: 40
Views: 4851

Re: 8-12-09 Boy's Shooting Death - "jostled a backpack"

bdickens wrote:Lying to the cops is never a good thing to do.
:iagree:

In most cases, routine investigative steps will quickly uncover a lie because you can't control (or even think of) all the things that will be examined by folks who get lied to for a living and know what they're doing. Once they sniff one out, they'll close in like a Hellfire missile from a Predator.

Once one's credibility is shot (pardon the pun), there's no getting it back and the gentle treatment part will be over. There are also those little things one should keep in mind like perjury (if in a sworn statement), accessory after the fact, tampering with evidence, and other things that can get you a free room at the greybar hotel.
by Excaliber
Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:41 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: 8-12-09 Boy's Shooting Death - "jostled a backpack"
Replies: 40
Views: 4851

Re: 8-12-09 Boy's Shooting Death - "jostled a backpack"

Keith B wrote:This is a real sad situation, but I can see it happening as stated. Any DAO pistol that has a light trigger (aka Glock) laying loose in a backpack could get something in the backpack pushed into the trigger guard. If they shove (jostle) the backpack and put 5-6 lbs of force on it while trying to move it out of the way, the item could pull the trigger. Some Glocks even have the 3.5 lb disconnecter on them, and they are really light.

This is why I have my CCW in a holster that covers the trigger at all times, even in the console of the car, glovebox or backpack.
Keith is dead on here. A loose handgun with an uncovered trigger guard can be discharged by unanticipated combinations of contact with other objects and pressure that can be brought about in many different circumstances. Lots of folks have shot themselves this way with many different weapon types, including DA revolvers. Depending on the orientation of the muzzle at the time, it is certainly possible to shoot others accidentally this way.

In the specific instance described here, I'm reserving judgment due to insufficient information. While the generally described method of discharge is possible, there would have to be an almost incredible amount of bad luck involved. There are also several other more likely possibilities, including the victim reaching into the backpack and accidentally depressing the trigger as he felt around inside, or someone found the gun, pointed and discharged it, and he or someone else then put it in the backpack. I'm in wait and see mode on that.

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